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Old 08-15-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Obama wants more wars than Gary Johnson, but not as many as Romney, because Obama wants to use part of the money that doesn't exist for the biggest favor ever to doctors, nurses, treatment center operators, Big Pharma, medical device makers, etc. Besides the most wars, Romney was also praising big oil at a debate. Romney said "marijuana" (cannabis) isn't an important issue, when legalize it is #1 request coming in to the whitehouse.gov site & there are 126 medical conditions where it sometimes works better than pills, keeps away thoughts of suicide & oil form cures cancer & more.

Gary Johnson would propose to Congress cutting everything 43% as he's for the 100% equally and is running for president for unselfish reasons & most definitely can't be bought. Various people (without a conscience, it seems) are keeping him out of many debates & out of some polls. Now Obama is flip-flopping like Romney, claiming he has changed & now sides with Gary Johnson on some main issues.

Gary Johnson would present a balanced budget to Congress. He would abolish Dept of Educ, & IRS. Only Federal taxes would be 23% sales tax with likely exemptions for business to business, used items, most food & poor ($200 monthly exemption), plus a 100% tax on cannabis ("marijuana") that would make it 90% cheaper, and bring in double digit billions. Plus ending the drug war to save $40+B a year. Gary Johnson sides with the majority on major issues. He'd win even if he didn't get into debates if people voted only by issues. How Libertarian are you? The test ISideWith dot com

I'm so frustrated that 80% if the people I talk to say they never heard of Gary Johnson or haven't taken the time to study his issues positions & the man himself. He's hard-working, honest, kind, & smart. Gary is wealthy, but is frugal, & will talk to anyone. Talking to every kind of group about what they want & he listens & he has people polling voters about what they want. He has no hate. He enjoys very difficult challenges. Some of the latest videos are exciting & inspirational. Best wishes, all!

Gary Johnson and Ron Paul would make a wonderful team. They have my vote.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:13 AM
 
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By the way, when people die (usually the older ones) their estates are taxed to hell and back through the death tax to the government despite the fact that the estate they had was already grown after they paid taxes on that money.

TAX TAX TAX TAX...

Makes no sense. So they do put their money where their mouth is not only by their sacrafices in life for their families but also through the consfiscation of their property by the governmnet after death.

When do we get around to the real two problems?

#1 Shrinking the heck out of government and the number of attached employees and...
#2 Denying access to all but the disabled and elderly long term regarding social programs (EBT, WELFARE) and all that?
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These elderly gentlemen heard all the promises back then and have had to watch as inummerable governments have squandered their payments into whatever programs were the flavour of the month for decades. Small wonder there is some resentment from these old dudes because they are also more than aware they will be contributing to these follies in an even bigger way when they kick the bucket and their estate gets tagged again for whatever flavour of the month is around while you are still eavesdropping onconversations in restaurants.

I understand them completely.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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"Texas A & M killer" there was no "Texas A & M killer"....I wont even try to explain it to you.......this whole thing sounds like something you made up.....
Well, I think that you know what I'm talking about? If you listened to the radio that day, all you ever heard was Texas A & M, despite the fact that it happened "off campus". I don't know so many of you right wingers think that I'm making this up. You all probably think the same pathetic way and it hurts you that it hits so close to home. The old geezer listens to a radio personality by the name of lindsay. I thought that he said "hal lindsay", but I think that hal lindsay was "goober" from andy griffith show.

To those that say that this man paid SS taxes for 35 years, let me remind you that younger people are also paying SS/medicare taxes (at a much higher percentage) and that they deserve no less than what this old guy is receiving. To the poster that claimed that I don't know about Medicare premiums, he couldn't be more wrong. I sell med supplements to older americans all of the time. Current Med Part B premium is $99.90/mo for most ppl, a real bargain to older Americans. Med Advantage plans were overpaid by the federal gov't. That is why the $50 billion is being slowly transferred over 10 years to a more equitable, stabilized monthly capitation rate and a new rating system that rewards outcomes rather than just paying them for procedures.

Gov't needs to cut other things before they touch my benefits that I've been paying for.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:16 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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This answer

These elderly gentlemen heard all the promises back then and have had to watch as inummerable governments have squandered their payments into whatever programs were the flavour of the month for decades. Small wonder there is some resentment from these old dudes because they are also more than aware they will be contributing to these follies in an even bigger way when they kick the bucket and their estate gets tagged again for whatever flavour of the month is around while you are still eavesdropping onconversations in restaurants.

I understand them completely.
Estate tax only concerns those that are $1 million and more.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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while eating lunch today, I heard a couple of 70 something seniors complaining about "that socialist O-bama" and even tried to link that Texas A & M killer with the "evil one." Now, I know that these four older white southerners didn't have any intention of voting for Obama or any Dem presidential candidate for that matter. But what upset me was how one of the old men was complaining about how Obama is saddling his grandchildren with debt. Yet, I didn't hear him volunteer to pay more for his Medicare benefits as per the Ryan plan, yet he's Ok with the younger folk paying payroll taxes to support the program and receive less benefits. What ever happened to "shared sacrifice?"
It's a fact that our bloated defense budget in real dollars is twice than that of the Eisenhower admin, which was engaged in a brutal Cold War with the russians. Before the gov't cuts the social benefits that we are forced to pay for, the gov't needs to not spare the defense budget for reduction, not even think of eliminating capital gains tax and come clean on what type of deductions that they wish to eliminate from federal income taxes.
I would've started a conversation about how these greedy seniors should try giving a d@mn about their grandchildren and say no to the socialism and welfare that is Social Security and Medicare.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Well, I think that you know what I'm talking about? If you listened to the radio that day, all you ever heard was Texas A & M, despite the fact that it happened "off campus". I don't know so many of you right wingers think that I'm making this up. You all probably think the same pathetic way and it hurts you that it hits so close to home. The old geezer listens to a radio personality by the name of lindsay. I thought that he said "hal lindsay", but I think that hal lindsay was "goober" from andy griffith show.

To those that say that this man paid SS taxes for 35 years, let me remind you that younger people are also paying SS/medicare taxes (at a much higher percentage) and that they deserve no less than what this old guy is receiving. To the poster that claimed that I don't know about Medicare premiums, he couldn't be more wrong. I sell med supplements to older americans all of the time. Current Med Part B premium is $99.90/mo for most ppl, a real bargain to older Americans. Med Advantage plans were overpaid by the federal gov't. That is why the $50 billion is being slowly transferred over 10 years to a more equitable, stabilized monthly capitation rate and a new rating system that rewards outcomes rather than just paying them for procedures.

Gov't needs to cut other things before they touch my benefits that I've been paying for.
Maybe you need to check some of the numbers you use when selling to those old people. I think that if you look a bit further you may find that the $50 billion you talk about is annually for 10 years. Now in the old math I was taught to use in the late 30s and early 40s that would make $500 billion. Yes, I am almost to reach the 80th birthday and plan to go on unless some federal government panel decides I am too old for some unknown medical need.

I would really be glad to buy your Medigap program since mine runs a whole lot more than $99.90, more like $199.90 since I pay $20 for dental and $20 for cancer on the same program. I do remember when my dad went over $100 per month over 20 years ago. Does your program pay pretty good like mine does?
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I would've started a conversation about how these greedy seniors should try giving a d@mn about their grandchildren and say no to the socialism and welfare that is Social Security and Medicare.
I think you just did that very thing and I also think you are either full of Pelosi or just plain old Democrat crap.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Inland Empire, Calif
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Another nonsense post from the Dark side...
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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while eating lunch today, I heard a couple of 70 something seniors complaining about "that socialist O-bama" and even tried to link that Texas A & M killer with the "evil one." Now, I know that these four older white southerners didn't have any intention of voting for Obama or any Dem presidential candidate for that matter. But what upset me was how one of the old men was complaining about how Obama is saddling his grandchildren with debt. Yet, I didn't hear him volunteer to pay more for his Medicare benefits as per the Ryan plan, yet he's Ok with the younger folk paying payroll taxes to support the program and receive less benefits. What ever happened to "shared sacrifice?"
It's a fact that our bloated defense budget in real dollars is twice than that of the Eisenhower admin, which was engaged in a brutal Cold War with the russians. Before the gov't cuts the social benefits that we are forced to pay for, the gov't needs to not spare the defense budget for reduction, not even think of eliminating capital gains tax and come clean on what type of deductions that they wish to eliminate from federal income taxes.
Those seniors paid into the Medicare their program, and it's mismanagement by government for why Medicare and SS are in trouble.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:10 AM
 
Location: California
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In the absense of truth, lies and fear will flurish.

How sad that some have nothing better to do than stick their nose into someone else's conversation and then assume they know all about someone else's situation.

It is the politicians who squandered the money, lied, and now try to blame the seniors after we paid all our lives. When others have paid for as many years as we did, then they will have the right to complain, but, notice how many handouts are being given away today to those under 55! If our jobs aren't sent to asia, then they import foreigners here to take our jobs. The truth is that is the politicians, not seniors just trying to survive, who are the problem and exacerbating by trying to turn the youth and seniors against each other. Divided, we will all fall.
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