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Old 09-17-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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That $50k didn't disappear because it never actually "existed."

Your homes value is irrelevant unless you are buying, selling, or borrowing against it. It is otherwise purely theoretical.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I did not borrow anything "on the house." It is simply worth $50k less than I paid in 2003, according to zillow.

My point was say I was hammered by the bubble and housing crash. Is my wife right in saying it was incompetence or mismanagement on my part that caused that $50k to disappear?
Why would you buy at the top of a bubble? People try not to buy stocks when the prices are high. Same applies to any other asset, like one's house.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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your wife is clueless-it wasn't 50k that you had anyway if you are making payments.

you need a wife who will work as a team, but it doesn't look like you have that.

let the wife move out, and then you can wait for it to rise again in value. (although you may have a pretty long wait, eventually housing will come back). you still have a house to live in, a house you must have wanted.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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It sounds like the timing couldn't possibly be worse, so not completely your fault. I would say the only thing that could be considered your fault is having too much faith in the opinion of experts and not objectively being able to assess the real worth of your house. I'm sure you weren't ready to sell and move at the height of the bubble. Its easy to look back in the past when the facts are available but a house usually isn't meant to be a quick profit investment IMO.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Why would you buy at the top of a bubble? People try not to buy stocks when the prices are high. Same applies to any other asset, like one's house.
Early 2003 was not "top of the bubble." That came in about 2006. But things were ramping up. That is for sure.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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It sounds like the timing couldn't possibly be worse, so not completely your fault. I would say the only thing that could be considered your fault is having too much faith in the opinion of experts. I'm sure you weren't ready to sell and move at the height of the bubble. Its easy to look back in the past when the facts are available but a house usually isn't meant to be a quick profit investment IMO.
It was not an investment, nor fancy. First house 900 sf. 2/1. Very spartan. I've wanted to trade up for about 6 years. First prices were rising too fast, then implosion. Glad I didn't do that! Oh well. I do like the backyard.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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Early 2003 was not "top of the bubble." That came in about 2006. But things were ramping up. That is for sure.
Close enough to the top. You claim the lost value so far is $50,000. What percentage of the price you paid is that?

Everyone knows... buy low; sell high. Looks like you did it backwards.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Close enough to the top. You claim the lost value so far is $50,000.

Everyone knows... buy low; sell high. Looks like you did it backwards.
Can't argue with your general point. I agree. A point for the wife!
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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It was not an investment, nor fancy. First house 900 sf. 2/1. Very spartan. I've wanted to trade up for about 6 years. First prices were rising too fast, then implosion. Glad I didn't do that! Oh well. I do like the backyard.
fix it up and enjoy it.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You did fine. Few recognize bubbles while they are still growing otherwise they would not be growing. We all have 20/20 hindsight. I should have bought Microsoft stock in 1980.
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