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Old 09-22-2012, 03:13 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Well first off he should have kept his yap shut instead of handing the Taliban a cookie by telling the world withdrawal was happening on a specific timeline. Sheeeit! why not just order the troops over there to all line up and wait for it with their hands over their heads?
But if he hadn't published a time line, people would be complaining about that. Saying he wasn't doing anything, and had no plans.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We should have just bombed them and been done with it. Bomb the Taliban towns. And it shouldn't have taken us this long.
Which towns were Taliban? Which were not? Which ones were friendly? Which ones were not? Who among the Afghan's were reliable partners? Which were not?

We didn't really know as we'd had little or no intelligence in Afghanistan for years. To do what you suggest would have necessitated the destruction of the whole place and the slaughter of tons of innocents right alongside the guilty AND the subsequent occupation of the whole country without any support from local groups.

Yes, that's how total wars are fought, or used to be, but the Bush administration did not commit us to a total war. They committed us to a war limited to simply removing the Taliban from power and re-building Afghanistan as a functioning democracy along western lines. Many of us at the time said such a strategy was doomed to failure, but that's how it was done.

Fast forward to 2009, when Obama took office. The nation-building effort was predictable faltering, the Taliban was re-gaining strength and even Joe Afghan understood that NATO and the American's would not be there forever.

So, what do you think Obama should have done? Pulled all our troops back to safe areas and just carpet bombed everything in sight, the Taliban right alongside those who had supported us for 7 years? And then what? What do you think his next step should have been? And, the next? And, the next?

Your ideas are simplistic, militarily unrealistic and in no way relative to the situation on the ground when Obama walked through the White House doors for the first time.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Of course we can.
Yes, we can IF we don't care about the consequences of just packing up and walking out.

What do you think those consequences would be, not only in Afghanistan but in the rest of the world as well?
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Why are we still in Afghanistan?

We should have been out by 2005 at the latest. But Bush had to have his oil war and left this one to fester and for Obama to clean up.

Just like his daddy left Somalia for Clinton to clean up.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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Yes, we can IF we don't care about the consequences of just packing up and walking out.

What do you think those consequences would be, not only in Afghanistan but in the rest of the world as well?
There will be no difference unless we want to make Afghanistan the 51st state. Even then it's questionable.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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We should have been out by 2005 at the latest. But Bush had to have his oil war and left this one to fester and for Obama to clean up.

Just like his daddy left Somalia for Clinton to clean up.
BUT Bush is no longer a valid excuse.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:37 PM
 
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Because our political leaders, of both parties, are morons.

Get out of the ME, eliminate ALL aid and let them go back to killing each other and destroying their own crap, rather than us and ours.


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Old 09-22-2012, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Taliban Attack Results In Worst American Airpower Loss Since Vietnam
I hope this doesn't affect our nation-building efforts...

[in Afghanistan]
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Taliban Attack Results In Worst American Airpower Loss Since Vietnam

To be clear, this attack and this massive loss of airpower happened last week. The reason this information might be news to you over a week later is due to our media's depraved indifference to reporting any truth that might hurt Barack Obama's reelection chances.
To be clear, if you and Breitbart actually listened to the media, you would have heard about this sooner.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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BUT Bush is no longer a valid excuse.
Oh, yes he is. He set the course of the war and Obama cannot change the basic strategy at this point without making the consequences of even success far, far worse. Remember the old saw about changing horses in the middle of the stream? It actually applies in this case.

Obama still must play the hand Bush dealt him.
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