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Old 02-07-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Schools should expect a certain urban/poor class of parents who do not know better/do not have the ability to prepare kids. Simple things such as starting school at pre-school and year around school can make up for these parents


Pretty much, we know what is required to adept for bad parents. . .we don't do anything. . .and we create more bad parents.


I am 100% for

- school, at least 1/2 day, starting at 3
- year round school with small (no more than 3 weeks) breaks.
Their solution to that was Head Start, now proven not to have really made any change.
The problem is in the homes. You can't fix that problem by pouring money into the schools.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I have rarely seen a teacher that teaches all day even in elementary beyond 1st or 2nd grade. Jr high and high schools? 7 or 8 periods each school day, the teachers taught a maximum of 5 periods.
Where in the heck are you located? I want to transfer there. I have taught middle school for over 20 years and NEVER have I had more than one planning (what some are calling free time) and a 20-25 minute lunch. Last school I was at had 8 periods of 45 minute duration. I had 7th period plan and that was it. I did, for two year period teach at a school where we had 52 minute classes and I got 52 minutes of planning. I felt like I had hit the jackpot and was incredibly sad when we moved.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:51 PM
 
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No point in sending my child to school then. I thought schools were supposed to teach reading.
You and your kind are the problem.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Where in the heck are you located? I want to transfer there.
The Chicago area. Teachers are ridiculously overpaid here, too. And their pensions are usually worth around $2 million. That, and other out-of-control state and local government spending, is why Illinois is virtually bankrupt.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:02 PM
 
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Sorry when I worked in corporate I did not work overtime and evenings and weekends year round.
We did it when it was necessary like when a project is running behind schedule.

For teachers this is their norm. I got paid 4x in corporate and my time was my own during the day for the most part.

I worked 7-3 with nights and weekends off for MOST of the time. It was not the norm as you point out.
Maybe it is in your job but it never was in mine and I was a software engineer for a big multi-national for over 20 years. And with those crunches came financial awards and extra time off because we were salaried with no OT.
No, working year round is not the norm for teachers. They get a two week Christmas vacation guaranteed plus a week Spring Break plus the entire summer off. If they choose to work summer school they get extra pay for that.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Schools don't fail children......parents do

Let's cut through the bull here.

It's hard to fail any HS course. Really hard. The level of apathy required to pull off an F is staggering.

A kid has to do something besides breathe and act up in class in order to make it. But not much more.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Fed dollars have a strong hold on the schools. Failure and excessive absences lead to less $$$ coming to schools.
Schools don't want to lose their money so guess what ?

There's a multitude of problems with education.
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