Do you "accept" that some of the world does not believe in Freedom of Speech?
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America has done enough trying to play the good guy and liberating countries from tyrants. Let their own people rise up. Indeed, a lot of America's do-good actions in the 80s actually supported tyrannical dictators in the first place/put them there.
America should just stay out of it. If the majority of Iranians don't want to live under a theocracy anymore they will stand up. As cold as it sounds they made their bed with the Iranian Revolution with the Ayatollah. Of course I do feel for those Iranians who don't fit into that fundamentalist mould, and I do hope they change, but that it comes from within, not some US-imposed system band-aid of 'democracy' like in Iraq.
Believe it or not, people look to us for help in overthrowing regimes. EXP: Iranian students rose up and fully expected the west to intervene. We did nothing and they were crushed.
The CO of one of my client companies is a Bahai Iranian. First, the Persians (the people themselves) are all pro-western. Second, the human rights situation is horrible, and they desperately need all the help they can get. The thing about Iran is they were fooled into hating the west and embracing the Mullahs. Much of the country now hate the Mullahs and see their corruption is far worse than that of the Shah. They didn't know what they had until they lost it.
OMG! Have you ever been outside of the USA? In Germany, people are usually free to express themselves without having to worry about being PC or hurting a particular group.
Chancellor Angela Merkel said a couple years ago "German multiculturalism has utterly failed in Germany"- Can you imagine Barrack Obama saying the same in the "Land of the Free"?
Usually in Germany and other European countries, people don't lose their jobs for saying something that is not considered PC! Hell, I have German friends who openly say "I don't like Turkish people"
If anybody in the USA would say something like "I don't like Blacks" or "I don't like Hispanics" at the workplace- it does not matter how honest and truthful it is, this person would automatically lose his/her job
As you can see, this freedom of expression we have here is nothing but BS- you have the freedom to express yourself as long as you don't say anything deemed "offensive" by any group, race or ethnic group.
I'm afraid you are very, very confused.
In most countries, including Germany, expression of certain political or religious views is prohibited by law and subject to prosecution.
In the United States these expressions are protected by law, and organizations like the ACLU exist in large part to protect the right of people to say unpopular and offensive things.
If you're asking for freedom from any untoward social consequences for expressing views that other people don't like you'll never find that, here or anywhere else.
America has done enough trying to play the good guy and liberating countries from tyrants. Let their own people rise up. Indeed, a lot of America's do-good actions in the 80s actually supported tyrannical dictators in the first place/put them there.
America should just stay out of it. If the majority of Iranians don't want to live under a theocracy anymore they will stand up. As cold as it sounds they made their bed with the Iranian Revolution with the Ayatollah. Of course I do feel for those Iranians who don't fit into that fundamentalist mould, and I do hope they change, but that it comes from within, not some US-imposed system band-aid of 'democracy' like in Iraq.
What's with this forcing, liberating countries that don't have free speech ? War or nothing are the onle options ?
Last year Obama ordered gov't. agencies overseas to combat the criminalization of LGBTstatus and conduct, to enhance efforts to protect vulnerable LGBT refugees and asylum seekers, to ensure that our foreign assistance promotes the protection of LGBT rights, to enlist international organizations in the fight against discrimination. We talk the talk for international women's rights, disregarding religious or cultural values as a reason for honor killings, widow burning, or female genital mutilation.
Since the U.S. won't be minding its own business and will along with other countries choose sides, I'll lean to the freedom of speech side.
Barack said today that "we" accept that. I strongly disagree and think that statement was foolish.
I am not saying we are to wage war on those that don't have freedom of speech but we should reject not accept it. All Americans should be aware how powerful and essential the fundamental right to say what you want is. We should look down on those who don't accept that. It is a form of tryanny.
I do not know how you can be an American and enjoy and understand the freedom we have and think that the rest of the world should not have these same rights. They are basic human rights everyone should have.
I accept the fact that some people or nations do not believe in gravitation and solarcentric model of the Solar system. I accept the fact that some people do not believe in personal hygiene and good manners.
Does it mean I have to adapt and stop taking showers to fit in?
As much as the US have to accept that other people and entire nations do not believe in free speech, they have to accept that fact that we do. We can't however demand that other nations and cultures simply adopt our standards
On the other hand there is no absolute freedom of speech anywhere in the world. The Supreme Court had ruled on what types of speech do not get this protection hence the freedom of speech is limited and not absolute.
I think the difference between the US and other countries is the extend to which we allow the freedom of speech. Some countries go further, some don't. Even in England, bastion of democracy and human rights, making a porn flick with an actrees dressed and looking like the queen would not go easily. In the US posting the President's private cell number on a public website could be construed as a federal offense.
Do you accept the fact that North Korea does not have freedom of speech?
You should, because it is a fact.
Now, do you "approve" the North Korean laws?
You should not.
See the difference?
That should be easy enough to understand...YOU'D THINK!
I've never been so arrogant as to suggest that the whole world has to have the same concept of "freedoms" as we have. Americans can't seem to figure out why we're always mired in international bullsh*t time and time again. A lot of it is our desire to tell others how to live and think.
Let me point out that, despite the lies of the OP, President Obama said no such thing. Here is what he said:
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I know that not all countries in this body share this particular understanding of the protection of free speech. We recognize that. But in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete.
President Obama simply noted the demonstrable fact that not all nations support free speech as does the United States (duh, you'd think conservative could restrain their knee-jerk denials of this, but since Obama said it, they just can't -- so pathological is their blind rage). He noted that the West understands that. You'd think understanding the nature of those that oppose Western freedoms would be considered a good think by conservatives, but not in the We-Hate-Everything-Obama-Says lala land. Then he clearly states that control of free speech, as some in the Muslim world would like, is not even possible. I'm sure some moron will find a reason to object to that, too.
Plenty of useful idiots flocked to this thread, drooling with their usual hatred and moronically assuming that the lies of the OP were true. All I can do is advise such clowns to get a clue, or you'll just keep losing elections like you're going to lose this one.
Got anything but your opinion or wackaloon links?
You know, something credible.
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
Creditable? al Times of New York? Media Matters? Daily Kos? It would be nice to know what you consider creditable so people know who to quote.
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Originally Posted by FancyFeast5000
Do you mean creditable or credible?
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
That would be the word the poster I was answering used. Keep on with the deflection.
FancyFeast did nothing to create deflection, roysoldboy. You are the one here that has failed to answer the simple question chielgirl asked, in spite of your poor grammar or spelling.
FancyFeast did nothing to create deflection, roysoldboy. You are the one here that has failed to answer the simple question chielgirl asked, in spite of your poor grammar or spelling.
Actually she did deflect there kid.... she failed to answer a question that was posed to her..... probably because she had no answer
The left is famous on here for saying links are not credible because they personally disagree with them
Let me guess what you would think is credible..... NY Times., Newsweek, NBC, ......High Times
Barack said today that "we" accept that. I strongly disagree and think that statement was foolish.
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I am not saying we are to wage war on those that don't have freedom of speech but we should reject not accept it. All Americans should be aware how powerful and essential the fundamental right to say what you want is. We should look down on those who don't accept that. It is a form of tryanny.
I do not know how you can be an American and enjoy and understand the freedom we have and think that the rest of the world should not have these same rights.
They are basic human rights everyone should have.
I understand and accept that some cultures do not endorse or practice freedom of speech. Such condition is of a basic reality.
But under no circumstances or condition does that influence my own practice of freedom of speech or endorsement of attempts to spread that freedom to others.
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Have you ever been outside of the USA? In Germany, people are usually free to express themselves without having to worry about being PC or hurting a particular group. 
