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Old 10-17-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Have these people ever considered getting jobs and becoming productive members of society?
The majority of Section 8 beneficiaries are seniors. Let's be reasonable and assume a majority of them were productive.

Many Snap beneficiaries are seniors. The majority of Snap beneficiaries are children. Ya know there are just so many Honey Boo-Boos to go around. Are you suggesting child labor?
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It needs to be limited to the elderly and disabled. You can have some temporary support for other things for a while, but I can't see the citizens being expected to pay for other people's bad choices.
Devil's advocate here....

Why carve out the Seniors? Why did they not save for their own retirement? How dare seniors expect the rest of people to take care of them for the last 25 +/- years of their life? Why can't they work till they drop?

A heck of a lot of chidren are born everyday to people who have no ability to provide for those children. Short of forced sterilization and/or abortion, how are you going to put an end to it?
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The biggest change we would see from elimination of welfare would be a return to the traditional family. Women would no longer have the out of wedlock babies of "bad boys" like they do today and then go on every welfare program from A to Z.

Instead of hooking up with bad boys (who they would start to hate and fear for survival reasons) women would marry and raise families with nice guys. The traditional family would return which would create a near utopia compared to the situation we have today.

Let's neuter these bio baby dads.

Then, let's talk about the serious millions of divorced women who ex husbands fail to pay child support or when X% of minimum wage is not enough child support.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It could be a gradual process and I think forcing the various churches and charities to pick up the slack would be a much better way to help people when they are down and out.
Forcing churches and charities?
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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What jobs? There has to be jobs before one can obtain a job.
Thank greedy corporate America for seeking out 24 cent a day chinese labor.
Thank consumers for not being willing to pay a premium for stuff manufactured in the U.S. when they can buy the same thing made offshore for a fraction of what it would cost to produce here.

The whole deal is circular.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Thousands of government workers and contractors would be without jobs so unemployment would soar. Poverty is an industry in the US. Look at all the people involved in the transactions of social services. It isn't like ALL of the people receiving assistance could find employment since so many jobs have been shipped out over the years to China, India, etc. Many of the people receiving benefits are working and working as hard as they can for businesses that are making huge profits. Always look at the complete picture.

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Old 10-17-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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Yours and other's opinions which insinuate a general sense of entitlement and laziness existing are probably not far off the mark. However, this is a byproduct of artificial conditions created to effect this very situation of dependency on the government, and thereby more controllable by that government.

Like the old saying, "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". The man given the fish is totally dependent and very much at your mercy, while the man who was taught how to fish, is independent, and no longer needs you.

So the answer cannot be to simply feed him fish for a long enough period that he is helpless without you, and then refuse to provide the fish ... such an act would be cruel and callous, and particularly so, if you have also removed most all of the fish from the lake, and have shipped all of the available fishing poles overseas, too.

If you get my drift.
LOL that works more like teach him to fish and then TAX the hell out of him for fishing!

That's ok if I only get to keep 2% of my fish though
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:35 PM
 
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Perhaps the better question might be, "What would happen if Congress eliminated all corporate welfare?" That would be very interesting. Exxon would go into shock at having to pay taxes on their billions and billions in profit.
Well we would all be lucky if we had skirts to wear made of grass. Men and women alike, because no one really knows how to make anything any more. If everything stopped, most Americans would be dead in side of 30 days.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:39 PM
 
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But it would be offsetted by the increase in public services such as law enforcement and firemen
All these guys would be out of work and POed about it, after all they are on high paid public welfare too.

They are always the first to get the axe, next state schools get it.....
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Forcing churches and charities?
Nearly all nonprofit private schools and hospitals are owned and administered by churches.
Many of those schools participate in the federal school lunch program, receive Title I funding (for poor children), etc. Many religious colleges and universities receive direct funding or benefit from state and federal financial aid programs to their students.
Those hospitals would lose a tremendous amount of reimbursement by losing medicaid (and most of those hospitals have founding charters that require aiding the sick regardless of their ability to pay).

Most nonprofit agencies that assist people with mental or physical disabilities are owned and administered by charities and churches. Most of their funding comes from "welfare" programs.
Many foster care agencies, shelters, group homes, etc are owned or administered by churches & charities. They receive most of their funding through both state and local aid. So do the foster families.

Most homeless shelters & women's shelters are owned or administered by churches or charities. Much of their funding comes from city, state, & federal welfare programs.

I can continue, but I think the point is made.
With the exception of hospitals that may have their operating license tied to requiring medical care for the poor, none of them would be forced to pick up the slack... but they would be otherwise obligated by the fundamental precepts of their faith or their founding principles.
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