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Old 10-17-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Bill Clinton got rid of welfare in the 90s or what many think of as welfare no longer exists. Corporate welfare still exists though.
Just a clarification here...Bill Clinton did NOT get rid of welfare as it had existed, he only signed the bill. It was Newt Gingrich and the young Republicans that took over Congress in the 1996 election that "forced" Clinton to the table after refusing this reform at least 3 times.

Give credit where credit is due, please!
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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Welfare is ok but it should be temporary solution, not a permanent solution like it is right now.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Perhaps the better question might be, "What would happen if Congress eliminated all corporate welfare?" That would be very interesting. Exxon would go into shock at having to pay taxes on their billions and billions in profit.
Yep...and even more jobs would disappear!
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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We should end welfare and force the lazy Gimmycrats to get jobs.
In that case, end corporate welfare too. They aren't creating any jobs.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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Let's say that, in a radical attempt to balance the budget, Congress entirely cut spending on SNAP (food stamps), Section 8 (subsidized housing), and Medicaid (and they found a loophole around these "mandatory programs" that allowed them to be cut, or declared a special state of emergency).

In addition, in the same year, several states that also fund these programs separately cut their funding by 100% of near that.

What would be the result?

My guess is some or all of the following:

- Huge lines at private relief agencies
- A moderate to dramatic rise in private giving
- Massive rioting in poorer districts of cities, leading to looting, arson, and other crimes
- A rise in "flashmob" and other attacks on stores / gas stations / etc., coordinated by social media
- Attempted assassinations of politicians
- Flood of evictions leading to crime against landlords, mass eviction resistance movements (coordinated by Facebook, Twitter, etc.), rebellious occupation of property by swatters, homelessness
- A drastic rise in property crime rates
- A sharp rise in violent crime rates, often related to property (e.g. assault during robberies)
- A slight uptick in overall employment (including the informal economy)
- An unprecedented boom in the private security industry
- The closure of numerous inner-city grocery stores and corner markets
- Decrease in revenue for supermarkets and food producers in general, but:
- Expanded markets for cheaper food items and discounters
- Decreased prices for medical services and increased incidence of doctors providing "charity care"
- Rises in property, city, and state taxes to fund or expand programs instituted because of the above effects of cutting federal spending
People would die, particularly children and the elderly.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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I will solve that with the death penalty.
The death penalty wouldn't solve that. We already have the death penalty and it isn't deterring people from committing murders as individuals. When people gather and groups and riot, it's harder to track all of them. And think about this. Alot of people don't care if they live or die, and often see themselves as the outcastes of this society, so such persons wouldn't have a problem tearing down this society.

This is what Dr. King had to say about it: “There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it.â€


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Why are Dems too lazy to work?
Can you prove Democrats are too lazy to vote? I'm waiting.


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WHy don't you do the same jobs as the rich?
Why don't I do the same jobs as the rich? I don't have the same connections as the rich. The rich basically give each other jobs.


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The reality is Dems do not want jobs. They want welfare. They was slaves and they look at work as slavery.
First of all, this hits below the belt. You're assuming that every Democrat is a Black person on welfare. There are more White people on welfare than anyone else. Second of all, the majority of Black people are working. Show me proof that shows otherwise.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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Fine with me.


Can you list any economic or education systme in the entire world where the majority of blacks are successful?

The reality is your people have a cultural problem. They destroy schools and look at work as slavery.
You complain about this system yet you can not name any system where you would be successful. The more we do for you the less you do for yourselves.

Your people do not want jobs. You want welfare.
First of all, why do feel the need to interject race into this? I was talking about corporate welfare, NOT race. You are the one who is talking about it.

Second, if you are going to make such fallacious statements, at least back them up with some quantifiable proof.

Third, any cultural issues in the Black community can be traced back to "redneck culture".

Black Rednecks and White Liberals: Who’s a Redneck? | Capitalism Magazine
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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Fine with me.


Can you list any economic or education systme in the entire world where the majority of blacks are successful?

The reality is your people have a cultural problem. They destroy schools and look at work as slavery.
You complain about this system yet you can not name any system where you would be successful. The more we do for you the less you do for yourselves.

Your people do not want jobs. You want welfare.
Ebolagay, is that you?
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Wrong. We have the death penalty but rarely use it. That is the problem. Passing a law does nothing if you do not enforce it.

Dems are not too lazy to vote. They are too lazy to work. They vote becuase they want welfare. Can you give me an example of a Dem who supports cutting weflare in exchange for that money going towards infrastructure or jobs?

King was right but he sure as heck was not talking about welfare, public housing, foodstamps. He was probably talking about JOBS, OWNERSHIP of housing, and real pride. Today's blacks are the exact opposite of MLK. They want welfare not jobs. They think pride is a t-shirt. Blacks have no pride when they destroy their own schools, destroy neighborhoods, and don't take care of their kids.


Can you name any system where blacks will be successful? I have a proposal. YOU pick any system and then we can eliminate welfare. The reality is you want welfare not jobs.
you are sort of like a reality cartoon 86% of african american are working 14% are unemployed
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Wrong. We have the death penalty but rarely use it. That is the problem. Passing a law does nothing if you do not enforce it.

Dems are not too lazy to vote. They are too lazy to work. They vote becuase they want welfare. Can you give me an example of a Dem who supports cutting weflare in exchange for that money going towards infrastructure or jobs?

King was right but he sure as heck was not talking about welfare, public housing, foodstamps. He was probably talking about JOBS, OWNERSHIP of housing, and real pride. Today's blacks are the exact opposite of MLK. They want welfare not jobs. They think pride is a t-shirt. Blacks have no pride when they destroy their own schools, destroy neighborhoods, and don't take care of their kids.


Can you name any system where blacks will be successful? I have a proposal. YOU pick any system and then we can eliminate welfare. The reality is you want welfare not jobs.
It is enforced by state governments, not the federal government. Texas uses the death penalty alot, and yet, there are still alot of issues with violent crime in Texas. Minnesota doesn't have the death penalty and it has a much lower crime rate.

Here's proof that there are Democrats who support trimming welfare: Gov. Jerry Brown, Democrats divided over welfare cuts - State Budget - The Sacramento Bee

Blacks will be MORE successful when they aren't as worried about what people like you think. The Black middle class has grown tremendously since the Civil Rights movement. Black people who are in the middle class often live anywhere they want. Didn't you read my article about "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. Maybe you won't be so quick to say things you know little about.
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