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Old 11-05-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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You're right. It's not just conservatives that Harry won't work with. The Senate Dems didn't work with ANYONE to pass a budget.

It's called checks and balances. It will be bitter pill to swallow, but Harry will ignore Mitt at his own peril. It will free Romney up to go the "Obama Route" - Executive Orders.
Nah - Does not work that way. Mitt could undo the dreamer stuff...but he won't.

He can't change Obamacare without legislation. He can't get legislation. Any attempt to change tax rates requires legislation...can't do that either. I have no idea how the lame duck session will work out. But an uncooperative senate is a strong possibility after an Obama loss.

Neither candidate for President can really fix anything. Basically the two houses have to get together which may not prove easy.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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By voting for something other than the two parties, or for someone who is not into the partisan games. Like Ron Paul. Someone like him would be respected by both parties, but Romney or Obama are guaranteed to get zero respect from the opposing party.
"Like Ron Paul" You mean they guy who ran in the republican primaries?

The last I saw he was still registered as a republican.

You are aware you need a majority to pass anything in Congress With 3 parties, the chances are slimmer then with 2.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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I wouldn't say it makes little difference, since presidents do have some ability to set the agenda (e.g. DADT repeal wouldn't have gone anywhere if McCain had been president).

But basically yeah. A strongly partisan agenda has no chance of survival. A moderate agenda has little chance of survival. We've spent the last four years (and especially the last two) with a GOP that behaves in a hyper-partisan manner and actively tries to harm the country to score political points. There would be some sense of satisfaction from Reid refusing to work with Romney on anything. In reality, they'd probably work together if Moderate Mitt showed up in January. But then Romney would have to deal with the Tea Party traitors in the house. If he caves to the Tea Party, then absolutely Reid and the Democrats are not going to work with him, nor should they.
I see we know where you stand, "with a GOP that behaves in a hyper-partisan manner and actively tries to harm the country to score political points". "the Tea Party traitors".

I hate to be the bearer of such bad news but, the dems are just as guilty.

And of course the dems could just as easily be called traitors for NOT passing a budget or letting the over 30 bills the House has passed, to see the light of day.

The Senate could at least give the appearance of being legislators by discussing in committee the bills. Why they could amend them, or vote against them outright, as they should do.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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With that 24 days they could of done a lot of things. Except they wasted ALL their time passing ObamaCare which the vast majority of Americans were (and still are) against.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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Harry Reid should pay more attention to Obama. He has a way of not working with Congress, just use executive orders.

So, hey Harry... what's new without you?
Obama and Reid are entirely two different democrats.
Obama is more middle road, with a willingness to compromise while Harry Reid is an old staunch unwaivering democrat hardliner. The left also has hardliners, take Boehner and Cantor for instance, Boehner seems a wiling partner to compromise, but Cantor is a hard right wing tea party advocate, as well as McConnell, he is a staunch righty if there ever was.
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With that 24 days they could of done a lot of things. Except they wasted ALL their time passing ObamaCare which the vast majority of Americans were (and still are) against.
Dear quick, if you know anything, anything at all about the Congress of the United States, then you know it only has two speeds, one is slow, the other is stop!
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Obama and Reid are entirely two different democrats.
Obama is more middle road, with a willingness to compromise while Harry Reid is an old staunch unwaivering democrat hardliner. The left also has hardliners, take Boehner and Cantor for instance, Boehner seems a wiling partner to compromise, but Cantor is a hard right wing tea party advocate, as well as McConnell, he is a staunch righty if there ever was.
Dear quick, if you know anything, anything at all about the Congress of the United States, then you know it only has two speeds, one is slow, the other is stop!
But, they managed to pass one of the biggest most comprehensive laws in history.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:24 PM
 
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But, they managed to pass one of the biggest most comprehensive laws in history.
And it ate up time too, didn't it? 25 days of a democratic majority of congress isn't much, and they do move slowly. And the chief complaint of the GOP at the time of passage were saying they didn't have enough time to read 2,000 pages. But that's why congressmen have attorneys and aides to help them sort things out.

Tell me, why hasn't congress done anything in the past 2 years? Isn't it stonewalling of both sides?
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Reid says he can't work with Romney - Washington Times

Five days before the election, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has ruled out trying to work with Mitt Romney should he win next week.
SSDD.

If Dingy Harry doesn't want to work with Mitt, we can put in someone else who does want to.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:28 PM
 
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Reid says he can't work with Romney - Washington Times

Five days before the election, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has ruled out trying to work with Mitt Romney should he win next week.

"Mitt Romney's fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his severely conservative agenda is laughable," Mr. Reid said in a statement on Friday, trying to puncture Mr. Romney's closing election argument that he'll be able to deliver on the bipartisanship President Obama promised in 2008 but has struggled to live up to.
And in 2014 that will be the campaign that replaces Democrat control of the Senate for change.
Romney CAN talk and will use the Presidency to show people where problems are.

IMO, Reid is a government union owned SOB. We could ALL do without him and his followers.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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And in 2014 that will be the campaign that replaces Democrat control of the Senate for change.
Romney CAN talk and will use the Presidency to show people where problems are.

IMO, Reid is a government union owned SOB. We could ALL do without him and his followers.
And I could say the same of McConnell and Cantor.
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