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Vote every incumbant out. but that will never happen as long as people vote party line.
And replace them with who?
Obama was not part of the incumbent party - and he had very little experience. You just can't put anyone up on a podium/teleprompter and say "good enough".
Ultimately where we are right now is at the fault of the people. Party system is easy. People want easy - many don't want to think. Government has gotten so big and complicated, it's hard to get a grasp of everything - so just give me an R or a D and let me get back to American Idol or whatever the latest talent show is.
you have it backward pal, Obama snubbed the Republicans within his first week in office, with his "I won" comment, as the republicans were trying to work with him. Then the democrats shut the Republicans out completely with their closed door meetings.
Reid would not even work with Obama. Did Reid ever get a federal budget to Obama's desk for signature, even when the dems controlled EVERYTHING? No.
Many jobs' bills passed in the House - stalled in the Senate.
Last I checked, Ron Paul is part of the Republican party. If you get party money, you are in the party. I don't see that as a cycle breaker.
Like I said: someone who is not into the partisan games, and Ron Paul is not into partisan games. I don't care about the fact that he is technically an "R".
It actually makes little difference who is President. The split is between the Repubs in the house and the Dems in the Senate. No strongly partisan agenda can flourish in such an environment.
It will take compromise which the Repubs would not make in the last house. See the credit downgrade from what was a purely political action.
Like I said: someone who is not into the partisan games, and Ron Paul is not into partisan games. I don't care about the fact that he is technically an "R".
So you can overlook the party system as long as he agrees with you? OR does he need to be a rebel within his own party?
This is one guy still in a party - I don't see how this breaks a cycle.
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It actually makes little difference who is President. The split is between the Repubs in the house and the Dems in the Senate. No strongly partisan agenda can flourish in such an environment.
It will take compromise which the Repubs would not make in the last house. See the credit downgrade from what was a purely political action.
I wouldn't say it makes little difference, since presidents do have some ability to set the agenda (e.g. DADT repeal wouldn't have gone anywhere if McCain had been president).
But basically yeah. A strongly partisan agenda has no chance of survival. A moderate agenda has little chance of survival. We've spent the last four years (and especially the last two) with a GOP that behaves in a hyper-partisan manner and actively tries to harm the country to score political points. There would be some sense of satisfaction from Reid refusing to work with Romney on anything. In reality, they'd probably work together if Moderate Mitt showed up in January. But then Romney would have to deal with the Tea Party traitors in the house. If he caves to the Tea Party, then absolutely Reid and the Democrats are not going to work with him, nor should they.
It actually makes little difference who is President. The split is between the Repubs in the house and the Dems in the Senate. No strongly partisan agenda can flourish in such an environment.
It will take compromise which the Repubs would not make in the last house. See the credit downgrade from what was a purely political action.
Compromise only works one way??
The House passed jobs bills that stalled in the Senate. Obama repeated said he wanted jobs, so the House acted - why did not the Senate act on the bills sent to them?
It actually makes little difference who is President. The split is between the Repubs in the house and the Dems in the Senate. No strongly partisan agenda can flourish in such an environment.
It will take compromise which the Repubs would not make in the last house. See the credit downgrade from what was a purely political action.
The repubs did compromise, they gave Obama his $1.5 trillion deficit continuing resolution, the non-stop federal deficit spending is what caused us to lose our credit rating.
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