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Old 11-25-2012, 04:29 PM
 
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How many people do you have working for you, what are their duties and pay?

I have zero people working for me.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:50 PM
 
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Only if the agreement is made without distress.
As when unions use coercion/violence to force an employer into meeting their wage demands?
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:51 PM
 
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As when unions use coercion/violence to force an employer into meeting their wage demands?
Tell me how often it happens that unions successfully use violence to raise wages for their members.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:58 PM
 
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Here's an idea....auction off pay scale.

When an employer advertises a job, simply have an auction!

Have potential employees bid on what wage they would work for.

This will be good for everyone.
What people don't understand is that when wages go up, the cost of products, produced, transported, wholesales, retailed, and delivered etc., also go up, so you end up at the same place - spending-power wise.

If you want a better standard of living, upgrade your skills, qualifications and marketability. That is the only real way to do it on a large scale, long-term.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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The auction idea doesn't work because it would return us to the Victorian era and the era of paid slavery. There is not end to how much avaricious employers will exploit workers. What would stop employers from colluding and fixing wages? Just because someone might be desperate enough to work for $1 / hr doesn't mean that a civilized society needs to allow it.

Government would be forced to pick up the tab for everything to allow people to survive. Rich people would have to be taxed to 90 % in order to support all the poor people.

The concept of a living wage is that if someone works very hard for 40 hours a week they should be able to support themselves and their family in something other than abject poverty.

But the problem is who decides what a living wage is?

The Peoples Committee of the Workers Proletariat?
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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I think wages should be transparent for consumers to judge. Employers are free to pay minimum wage, but I think consumers should be able to know that.
Try glassdoor.com, obviously it isn't 100% complete, but many employers are listed with employees leaving information about pay and other conditions.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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But the problem is who decides what a living wage is?

The Peoples Committee of the Workers Proletariat?
A living wage would be enough income to provide shelter, food, and care, for yourself and a small family in the community in which you live, without relying on government assistance. By this standard at least 40 million Americans don't make a living wage since that's the number on foodstamps. A living wage for an individual in some areas of the country might be $18,000. In Los Angeles or New York City a living wage might be $40,000.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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I have zero people working for me.
No biggie. That would make you just like everyone else posting on C-D.
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As when unions use coercion/violence to force an employer into meeting their wage demands?
When did that happen last?
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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A living wage would be enough income to provide shelter, food, and care, for yourself and a small family in the community in which you live, without relying on government assistance. By this standard at least 40 million Americans don't make a living wage since that's the number on foodstamps. A living wage for an individual in some areas of the country might be $18,000. In Los Angeles or New York City a living wage might be $40,000.
This won't work for three reasons.

1) Since retailers would know of the income raises, consumer prices would rise to match percentage-wise.

2) If everyone instantly made a wage that made them comfortable, even at a minimum, most people would no longer have an encentive(sp) to do better.

3) The problem with many if not most people is not the wage they make, but their spending. People in the US notoriously spend more than they make and have a lot of debt. My debt totals only about $60k. That includes my house and no credits cards.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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As when unions use coercion/violence to force an employer into meeting their wage demands?
If only it were true. The business news would be much more lively if the occasional CEO or director was kidnapped and sent home bit by bit. Oh well.
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