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Old 12-10-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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Despite my personal views on the filibuster, I doubt that any court will weigh in on the matter because one branch of government cannot regulate the internal activities of another.

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Old 12-10-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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Dirty Harry Reid was against filibuster reform, before he was for it. I wonder why the change?
 
Old 12-10-2012, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Dirty Harry Reid was against filibuster reform, before he was for it. I wonder why the change?
The past two years changed his mind and figuring out that a handshake agreement with McConnell means nothing to dirty Mitch.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:11 AM
 
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Yes I'm sure that's it. If you believe that then you are too far lost for any type of help. Have you gone through FEMA's re education camp already as a test subject? If not they won't need to waste the time on you that's for sure.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Yeah - Sen. Byrd really changed a lot before his departure - NOT.

Dems filibustered Civil Rights for almost 2 months.

Your post is total baloney.

Si what???????????? No one is suggesting the filibuster be ended. There is a big difference between standing there on the floor and going on the record of why you are opposed to a measure and stopping the measure just by stating, "I'm opposed".
 
Old 12-11-2012, 07:33 AM
 
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It's actually essential that the filibuster be returned to the talking filibuster of old. Without reform in this area they might as well just abandon the Senate entirely, it's become so disfunctional.

Most political discussions eventually get around to the constitution and the intent of the founders. I would have to say that the system as set up by the constitution reflects the intent of the founders well with the seperation of powers and the bicameral houses of congress preventing the "Tyranny of the majority". Using proceedural rules to effectively block almost all the business of the nation and turning every little measure into a major partisan war does not serve the interests of the country well at all.

Good post, lucknow. You're right - the Senate is dysfunctional, the fact has been noted by senators themselves from both parties, and while a talking filibuster may have some merit (though other countries seem to function well enough without), the existing rules amount to a liberum veto - and that didn't work out all that well for the last country to use it.

And speaking of the Philadelphia gentlemen's intent, it's clear that they drew ideas and inspiration from a wide variety of historical and then-contemporary sources. Primarily the British constitution, or rather their imperfect understanding of the British constitution. Famously, also, ancient polities such as the Roman Republic. The Holy Roman Empire, The Netherlands and Switzerland as models of confederations. The one country they did not draw inspiration from was the kingdom of Poland - because it was collapsing before their very eyes.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 07:37 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Common Cause Presses Case Against the Filibuster in Federal Court Hearing

Common Cause is a non-partisan liberal outfit looking to CHANGE America.


“The filibuster has historically served to check an oppressive majority in matters of extraordinary importance,” said U.S. Rep. Hank Johnson, D-GA., a plaintiff in the case. “But in recent years, it has become a tool for unnecessary obstruction. It undermines the Constitution’s checks and balances, and it denies the Constitution’s guarantee of equal representations to the states.”

“The Constitution is very specific about when supermajorities are required – to remove judges or high-ranking officials during impeachment trials, to ratify treaties, expel members of Congress, override presidential vetoes and propose constitutional amendments,” said Common Cause President Bob Edgar. “But the filibuster rule essentially imposes a 60-vote supermajority requirement on every piece of legislation coming to the Senate; while the Senate has the power to make its own rules, it cannot impose rules that are incompatible with the Constitution.”



The groundwork is being laid in that they expect to win the House in 2014, and remove the ability to filibuster will remove just about any chance for opposition to their legislation.

The checks and balances to protect our liberty, have been slowly eroded.
Mob rule means many will lose their liberty.
Look at the measures taken by the Centralized government, to take full power of the nation, from the States and individuals. Control has no place in Liberty.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 08:51 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Good post, lucknow. You're right - the Senate is dysfunctional,

Yes, the house passes bills and Harry Reid tables them. Won't even bring them to the senate floor, for a vote.
There is a good reason the Senate is dysfunctional. Harry Reid.

Ever see a Democrat filibuster a bill, when the Senate has Democrat leadership?
There is a reason a slight majority, can not over run a slight minority. It leads to loss of blood and revolution the slight majority, would never be able to control.

2/3rds is enough not to step on the minority, too much.


We the People, lose more and more power to the Central Government daily, and we allow it and some actually demand it.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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The filibuster needs to go because Republicans are literally filibustering 98% of all bills including their own bills. It has made the Senate completely dysfunctional and at some point people have to actually govern but that's impossible as long as the current filibuster rules are allowed. Hell, these procedural rules aren't even in the constitution.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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The filibuster needs to go because Republicans are literally filibustering 98% of all bills including their own bills. It has made the Senate completely dysfunctional and at some point people have to actually govern but that's impossible as long as the current filibuster rules are allowed. Hell, these procedural rules aren't even in the constitution.
Got a reference for that? Could you share your information?

You know - Reid has stalled a bunch of legislation passed by the House. Maybe we should change the rules to force Reid to process legislation passed in the House in a certain time frame. There are a bunch of jobs' bills that have had no Senate action that could help Americans get back to work.
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