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Personality disorders cannot be treated. Many current inmates in prison have personality disorders; they will always commit crimes and participate in deviant activity. Personality disorders are not like an affective disorder, which may be amendable to medication.
If you run across someone who is so singularly irritating, self absorbed, and indifferent to others (yet sometimes charming) that is someone with a personality disorder. Run- they cannot be "cured" or "changed".
Except for Borderline PD. There are empirically supported treatments for that.
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Re: the OP, the problem you'll find with your argument is that it is a very small percentage of the mentally ill who go on homicidal rampages. Rather similar to the argument that gun advocates make that it is a very small percentage of gun owners who go on homicidal rampages. Both of these things are true. The problem lies in the devastation that can be caused by the very, very few.
Until we finally start having some serious discussion and problem solving, our society will continue to suffer. I understand that people feel uncomfortable about it and prefer not to deal with mentally ill people, but the reality is that it is a problem and will not get better until we start looking for solutions. The current system is broken and needs fixing, ASAP
One problem is that our modern day "enlightened" society has deemed it necessary to integrate the mentally ill into society. In many cases, this is harmless enough, but sometimes it leads to horrible things.
I think part of the solution is to stop coddling people who go crazy and go on homicidal rampages. Toss the insanity plea in the garbage. If you were diagnosed with a mental illness that lends itself to violence and the system we have in place allows you out into society then the system is broken. If such a person murders, they should be treated just like any murderer. If they're sane enough to not be in a mental institution, they're sane enough to pay the price for their own actions.
Our enlightened society is ridiculous. A rabid dog isn't necessarily responsible for its violent behavior, but we don't hesitate about killing that rabid dog. The dog doesn't need to even attack anyone. Just has to have rabies. But a mentally ill human being with a significant history of violence gets treated with kit gloves. We try to "fix" them with counseling and medication, then turn them loose on society. And when such a person does something terrible, we keep trying to "fix" them with medication and counselings so we can reintegrate them back into society ... That's just stupid!!
I will tell you some facts regarding the mental health system. In a large and general way it protects many, many people from the consequences of their behavior. In specific ways it keeps people who have made threats to harm others from incarceration. It keeps people who are dangerous to society on medication and out in the community, often without adequate supervision. Many of the clients of the mental health system are chronically suicidal and they are treated by a merrygoround of meds, therapy, hospitalization, etc. A few of these people are homicidal. Drugs, alcohol and prescription drugs are all part of the mix. The majority of the consumers of mental health are relatively harmless to others but a significant few are not.
Actually the mental health system is an extension of the liberal/progressive view and is part of the consequenses of such.
What would you do? Lock them up in asylums? Keep them at home with someone paid to supervise them at all times? Kill them?
One problem is that our modern day "enlightened" society has deemed it necessary to integrate the mentally ill into society. In many cases, this is harmless enough, but sometimes it leads to horrible things.
I think part of the solution is to stop coddling people who go crazy and go on homicidal rampages. Toss the insanity plea in the garbage. If you were diagnosed with a mental illness that lends itself to violence and the system we have in place allows you out into society then the system is broken. If such a person murders, they should be treated just like any murderer. If they're sane enough to not be in a mental institution, they're sane enough to pay the price for their own actions.
Our enlightened society is ridiculous. A rabid dog isn't necessarily responsible for its violent behavior, but we don't hesitate about killing that rabid dog. The dog doesn't need to even attack anyone. Just has to have rabies. But a mentally ill human being with a significant history of violence gets treated with kit gloves. We try to "fix" them with counseling and medication, then turn them loose on society. And when such a person does something terrible, we keep trying to "fix" them with medication and counselings so we can reintegrate them back into society ... That's just stupid!!
Part of the problem was the mass defunding of long-term residential mental health facilities during the 80s. The system is not set up to deal with people who may pose a possible risk at some future point. I used to work with the chronically suicidal and have some experience with involuntary commitment hearings. It is ridiculously difficult to have someone committed against their will. There are pros and cons to this, but the burden of proof for imminent risk to self or others is very high. Also, it can be very difficult to predict who will become violent if they have not been so before.
We need to be able to force the mentally ill to get treatment and, for some, even forced hospitalization. Sorry but it's true. The seventies saw the relaxation of of those things, in the name of the rights of the mentally ill. But, as we have seen, for far too many of them it was the worst thing that could have happened. It has forced prisons and jails to become the de facto mental institutes. Lets not even get into the negative impact it has had on society.
We're not allowed to treat mental illness, that would require tax dollars and government spending.
It seems to be getting worse with very little funding. Many people don't have health insurance and can't afford to get treatment. Some people that do get treatment get the wrong meds.
One problem is that our modern day "enlightened" society has deemed it necessary to integrate the mentally ill into society. In many cases, this is harmless enough, but sometimes it leads to horrible things.
I think part of the solution is to stop coddling people who go crazy and go on homicidal rampages. Toss the insanity plea in the garbage. If you were diagnosed with a mental illness that lends itself to violence and the system we have in place allows you out into society then the system is broken. If such a person murders, they should be treated just like any murderer. If they're sane enough to not be in a mental institution, they're sane enough to pay the price for their own actions.
Our enlightened society is ridiculous. A rabid dog isn't necessarily responsible for its violent behavior, but we don't hesitate about killing that rabid dog. The dog doesn't need to even attack anyone. Just has to have rabies. But a mentally ill human being with a significant history of violence gets treated with kit gloves. We try to "fix" them with counseling and medication, then turn them loose on society. And when such a person does something terrible, we keep trying to "fix" them with medication and counselings so we can reintegrate them back into society ... That's just stupid!!
You're forgetting that the mass murderers don't want to get away with it. They know they won't. They're not trying to. They even kill themselves, themselves! because they know they're going to die if we ever get our hands on them.
If only mental healthcare was as easily accessible as perhaps, a gun.
True.
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It seems to be getting worse with very little funding. Many people don't have health insurance and can't afford to get treatment. Some people that do get treatment get the wrong meds.
