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As soon as you admit that the preservation of our 2nd Amendment rights, as loosely interpreted in today's America, is worth 30,000 deaths a year.
Well 17-18 thousand of those are suicides, which guns are hardly responsible for.
And even if we do say that guns and guns alone are responsible for the remaining 12-13,000 deaths (which is a load of horse ****), it's still quite a bit fewer than cars. Let's just say 1/3.
Do I believe the second amendment to be 1/3 as important as cars? I don't think so. But keep in mind those figures are all predicated on the theory that guns are solely responsible for every murder in this country.
I'll continue to pontificate, once you all approach the issue with some basic logic and honesty.
How is that relevant? Logically, it makes no difference. Zero.
Do you consider the benefits of transportation by automobile to be worth 40,000 deaths by year?
Did I purchase an automobile to protect myself(meaning I might have to kill someone with it), hunt(meaning kill for food) or for the express reason to drive it into a school and kill innocent children? I'd have to say emphatically, no! I can't speak for all car owners, only myself. I do love these splendid chats in the realm of reason/logic, though, don't you?
It comes down to reasonable expectations. When I get in my car, I know the odds. But a car is a necessity in most of America.
So the legal right to own a car is worth 40,000 deaths a year then.
There's no logical flaw in my argument.
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by busterkeaton
Did I purchase an automobile to protect myself(meaning I might have to kill someone with it), hunt(meaning kill for food) or for the express reason to drive it into a school and kill innocent children? I'd have to say emphatically, no! I can't speak for all car owners, only myself. I do love these splendid chats in the realm of reason/logic, though, don't you?
I don't know. And I don't care. It's not relevant.
You consider cars important enough to be worth 40,000 deaths per year. Right? Wrong?
You don't consider guns to be worth 30,000 deaths a year. Right? Wrong?
Exactly. I will say the unthinkable: THE OCCASIONAL MASS MURDER IS WORTH THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE TO OWN GUNS AND BE FREE.
Will they say the same thing about the right to drive or own a sword?
You don't have a right to kill people with your driving, or your sword. And if you get happen to mow someone down in your car while brandishing your sword, pretty sure you are going to lose your right to both.
Ad if owning guns is an inalienable right, why don't felons get to do so?
I can't believe I have to state the obvious, but apparently some gun nuts have a mental block about the difference between cars and guns.
Cars=DESIGNED to save lives and be productive to society, economy, etc.
Guns=DESIGNED to kill people and destroy the lives of those around them
Using a car properly as designed = no deaths
Using a gun properly as designed = death
Cars= REQUIRES testing, medical clearance (eye exam) and annual registration every single year
Guns= Can get one at a gun show with NO background check, no medical exam, no annual renewal
Cars= become SAFER with each new technological innovation (a good thing)
Guns= become MORE DANGEROUS with each new technical innovation (bad)
Cars= not being used as a weapon every week/month to kill mass amounts of innocent people
Guns= being used with increasing regularity to kill mass amounts of innocent people
Cars= not being used as a weapon every week/month to kill mass amounts of innocent people
Guns= being used with increasing regularity to kill mass amounts of innocent people
Cars kill more people than guns. Fact.
Their intent is irrelevant. Everything else you posted is irrelevant.
You think it's worth it. Cars.
The OP thinks it's worth it too. Guns. And that's IF you accept the theory that without guns, murders would not occur. Which is crap.
Priorities.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
Exactly. I will say the unthinkable: THE OCCASIONAL MASS MURDER IS WORTH THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE TO OWN GUNS AND BE FREE.
Of course it's unthinkable.
But the ability to drive a car is worth about 1,400 Sandy Hooks per year, according to our friends here.
Well 17-18 thousand of those are suicides, which guns are hardly responsible for.
And even if we do say that guns and guns alone are responsible for the remaining 12-13,000 deaths (which is a load of horse ****), it's still quite a bit fewer than cars. Let's just say 1/3.
Do I believe the second amendment to be 1/3 as important as cars? I don't think so. But keep in mind those figures are all predicated on the theory that guns are solely responsible for every murder in this country.
I'll continue to pontificate, once you all approach the issue with some basic logic and honesty.
OK, so since we're playing with numbers: how many Americans own guns vs. cars?
How many times a day, and for how long every day, do gun-owning Americans use their guns, as compared to how much car-owning Americans drive their cars?
And how many car deaths are intentional vs. the number of intentional gun deaths?
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