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Old 12-19-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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I have no idea why someone would oppose school districts identifying qualified candidates, training them and paying them for their extra work would be an issue.

For the money you could effectively have 4 teacher/security personnel for the cost of a single resource officer. I am all for resource officers where districts can afford them.

But there are lots of districts that can’t and a plan like this just makes sense. We aren’t talking about passing out guns like candy to every single teacher.

Screening and training would be required so that you had qualified individuals with the same level of training as police officers. It is even reasonable that they would themselves be considered law enforcement officers.

I have been a law enforcement officer. I come from a family of educators. These things are not mutually exclusive. One person can do both.

All across America, rural counties have volunteer Deputy Sheriffs. I know because I worked with some of them. They trained with the Sheriff’s department and were duly sworn members of the force. They do not get paid but are valuable resources to the departments they serve. You never hear of negative incidents involving these people but I know firsthand that they are valuable to their communities.

I just don’t get why this same concept involving teachers is so strange to some of you. I have small children. The idea of that kind of trained professional protecting my kids is a comfort to me.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:04 PM
 
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The answer to the problem is really simple ! liked so many areas today things have to change , in the area of schools there needs to be a cop ( security) in every school. Business do it , banks do it to protect their valuables and now if we value our children they are need there , not just at football games
When I was a kid in the 90s we already had an on campus police officer at our public high school... But even then, he couldn't control what was going on in the entire campus.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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I have no idea why someone would oppose school districts identifying qualified candidates, training them and paying them for their extra work would be an issue.

For the money you could effectively have 4 teacher/security personnel for the cost of a single resource officer. I am all for resource officers where districts can afford them.

But there are lots of districts that can’t and a plan like this just makes sense. We aren’t talking about passing out guns like candy to every single teacher.

Screening and training would be required so that you had qualified individuals with the same level of training as police officers. It is even reasonable that they would themselves be considered law enforcement officers.

I have been a law enforcement officer. I come from a family of educators. These things are not mutually exclusive. One person can do both.

All across America, rural counties have volunteer Deputy Sheriffs. I know because I worked with some of them. They trained with the Sheriff’s department and were duly sworn members of the force. They do not get paid but are valuable resources to the departments they serve. You never hear of negative incidents involving these people but I know firsthand that they are valuable to their communities.

I just don’t get why this same concept involving teachers is so strange to some of you. I have small children. The idea of that kind of trained professional protecting my kids is a comfort to me.
Maybe in Mayberry where the sheriff is the judge, plumber, and apparently now, the teacher. Not in the rest of the world, certainly not in cities.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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So you want us to replace teachers with trained police officers? Not buying into your logic on this one, should we pay them as much as an officer and teacher combined too?
I want 1 or 2 per xxx students randomly placed throughout school, totally undercover. There's a difference between allowing random teachers to be armed (bad idea) off the cuff, and perhaps creating a program and new class of police that serves in this capacity as an officer that blends in as a teacher. Is it that rediculous to have 1 of these specially trained per school?
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The best responses are always personal attacks.
You don't deserve anything else... that is one way to get your attention, even in threads started by you.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Most teachers I know are young women with a liberal arts degree. They are not likely candidates for trained shooters. They already have the roles of teacher, counselor, listener, mother/father, and part time psychologist. They have enough to do already.

And how friggin' stupid can the gun nuts get? Arming teachers is their solution? This is how we are going to address the issue? Parents are to worry everyday when the kids go to class that some gun nut is going to kill their children and the only defense they have will be a young kid just out of college with a gun? Is this the America we want, where everyone is living in fear of being shot at the mall, at school, going to the post office and having their fate in the hands of some wanna be hero with a concealed weapon? This is insane, people. We need to deal with the real problem which is way, way too many guns in our society.

I joined the military at 18. I was trained in the arts of killing people and breaking things. When I got out of the military (at the ripe age of 22), I went to college and got a job on the local police force as a Deputy Sheriff. I even got a gun and was allowed to be in around the local populous.... How old do you think a person should be to be able to be a police officer?

As for the real problem. I suggest you consider the fact that guns are not the CAUSE that makes a person walk into a school and start shooting. getting rid of some small subset of guns in America (which is the best you can hope for and may in fact be warrented) will not fix what is wrong. That being how we treat the mentally ill who have a tendency towards violence...
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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The best responses are always personal attacks.
That what happens when you compare teachers with highly trained law enforcement officers.

Each is trained to do a specific job.

Your thread would have been much better served to asked the question "Why aren't more law enforcement officers in schools?" especially is suburban and rural areas where it seems like these types of mass shootings occur most often.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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Maybe in Mayberry where the sheriff is the judge, plumber, and apparently now, the teacher. Not in the rest of the world, certainly not in cities.

so because your "Mayberry" is not a big city then it is not valid? you are just being silly now.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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That what happens when you compare teachers with highly trained law enforcement officers.

Each is trained to do a specific job.

Your thread would have been much better served to asked the question "Why aren't more law enforcement officers in schools?" especially is suburban and rural areas where it seems like these types of mass shootings occur most often.
This proposes multitasking. I know it's a revolutionary concept.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: under a rock
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Why can't science create some type of kevlar spray-on? In the morning after lil'Timmy eats his 'Cheerios' mom(or dad) can spray lil'Timmy with it, and send him on his merry way. Come on, science....we need ya on this one!
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