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Look. If the owner of Hobby Lobby doesn't want to use birth control, he is free not to. However, he has no right to impose his Taliban religious practices onto others!
Does the Green family have a right to shut the business down instead of paying $1.3 million in fines daily? I ask this because I do wonder how many people will be put out of work if they do that. Sure as hell they have every right to shut the company operation down. I bet you have never given any thought of the numbers of people who would lose their jobs.
Now you haven't looked at the fact that the company provides a good insurance plan for their employees and they can, according to the Law (Obamacare) just shut that part of their employees' rights down. How miserable do you people think the employees of the Greens have to be before the government opens its eyes?
The Greens think that human life begins at conception and it is the having to pay for the morning after pill that they are so much against. They don't consider that pre-conception since the pill prevents the fertilized egg, often, from attaching itself to the womb. You leaners just can't see anything that is against Obamacare, can you?
Does the Green family have a right to shut the business down instead of paying $1.3 million in fines daily? I ask this because I do wonder how many people will be put out of work if they do that. Sure as hell they have every right to shut the company operation down. I bet you have never given any thought of the numbers of people who would lose their jobs.
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If they are stupid, they would shut down. Large corps revolve around rolling credit, which involves covenents where the corps' ability to use this money revolves around their cash flow. Close the stores, cash flow evaporates, all covenents expire, and the banks hold liens on all the assets.
Oh yes, that would be brilliant.
And if they try to sell it given their stance, no buyer would offer more than pennies on the dollar. It would be like a Foreclosure sale, a desparate move by the seller. Again, covenent is broken, bank gets the full proceeds, plus the family still OWES the difference in all liklihood.
You should read your own link because the answer you seek is written in it.
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“Hobby Lobby is a for-profit, secular employer, and a secular entity by definition does not exercise religion,” said Acting Assistant Attorney General Stuart Delery in a filing submitted in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma.
“Because Hobby Lobby is a secular employer, it is not entitled to the protections of the Free Exercise Clause or RFRA [the Religious Freedom Restoration Act],” Delery told the court on behalf of the administration. “This is because, although the First Amendment freedoms of speech and association are ‘right[s] enjoyed by religious and secular groups alike,’ the Free Exercise Clause ‘gives special solicitude to the rights of religious organizations.’”
If they wish to be protected by the RFRA, then they are gonna have to stop chasing the Benjamins and start chasing the Jesus.
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In keeping with Delery’s argument, the Washington Post, as a corporation, can use its First Amendment-protected freedom of speech to write editorials in support of the Obama administration imposing its contraception mandate on businesses like Hobby Lobby. But the members of the family that created and owns Hobby Lobby, because they formed Hobby Lobby as a corporation, have no First Amendment freedom of religion that protects them from being forced by the government to act against their religious beliefs in providing abortion-inducing drugs.
The whole thing about "corporations are people" isn't really that true.
They should really learn how to separate business from their personal religion because businesses tend to run better when you do that.
Does the Green family have a right to shut the business down instead of paying $1.3 million in fines daily? I ask this because I do wonder how many people will be put out of work if they do that. Sure as hell they have every right to shut the company operation down. I bet you have never given any thought of the numbers of people who would lose their jobs.
Now you haven't looked at the fact that the company provides a good insurance plan for their employees and they can, according to the Law (Obamacare) just shut that part of their employees' rights down. How miserable do you people think the employees of the Greens have to be before the government opens its eyes?
The Greens think that human life begins at conception and it is the having to pay for the morning after pill that they are so much against. They don't consider that pre-conception since the pill prevents the fertilized egg, often, from attaching itself to the womb. You leaners just can't see anything that is against Obamacare, can you?
Mr. Hobby Lobby is free to close his business down. He is not free to dictate his religious practices onto his employees or customers.
There needs to be more laws for religion and their churches. They need to start paying their fair share...they get way too many tax exemptions. We could probably balance the budget if they paid up. They use their pulpit for their political views which opposes rights for gays and women and expect their parishioners to fall in line. And have you seen some of the houses they live in. Wow! Guess where that money is coming from. Religion has become a profit making business and an all mans club. They still feel women are inferior and that their only role in life is to procreate. The church can still live in antiquated times but women have evolved. How about they start paying taxes and then they don't have to cover contraceptives.
Sorry, Nat, but it appears that you failed to read that link. You won't find one place in it that mentions a church or whether it pays taxes or not. What you will find is talk about the government forcing a business to pay for things the owners don't approve of.
How about you back down a bit and think what happens if the Greens close their stores, nationwide. When their former employees hit the unemployment lines will the unemployment for that time go up, remain the same or go down. I don't think the government can force a business to remain in business unless they pay them like they did the auto manufacturers. Do you really think that this whole thing is aimed at churches or is there a chance that the Obamas are trying to force people to live outside their moral beliefs? If you think the Obamas are right then you better get ready for a huge gain in unemployment. You haven't thought of that yet, have you?
Mr. Hobby Lobby has no right to impose his religious practices onto his employees. Nor can he discriminate by hiring only those who would not use birth control any more than he can refuse customers who practice birth control.
However, Mr. Hobby Lobby is free to sell his business or to move it to a country that does not condone birth control.
Is it illegal for the Greens to close the business completely? Surely you don't believe that but you surely seem to have missed this as a possible outcome. Sotomayer is really a great judge and she said a wise Latina is what we need. I don't see her as very wise in this case.
How about you back down a bit and think what happens if the Greens close their stores, nationwide. When their former employees hit the unemployment lines will the unemployment for that time go up, remain the same or go down. I don't think the government can force a business to remain in business unless they pay them like they did the auto manufacturers.
No one closse a profitable corp, and 1.3 mill a day is far far less than the cash flow generated by Hobby Lobby.
BTW, government can delay any business closure..the WARN ACT would pertain to Hobby Lobby due to its size. 60 day notice required, or far larger fines than 1.3 million.
I can tell you do not understand how bank covenents work. For any corp bigger than a mom and pop, they are critical factors in business decisions.
You people realize an insurance company is not the same thing as a religious group?
Read the OP link and see that the Greens provide the insurance program for their employees. They pay the whole thing and surely do have a right to determine whether they buy morning after pills when they believe that human life begins at contraception.
These people provide the insurance but do not force their employees to use what they provide. You are like so many here who believe the media has never told a lie as a form of propaganda for old I Won. Your reply is purely out of order in that you didn't read the story and are trying to talk about what the OP said without knowing any of the story from the link.
Sorry, Nat, but it appears that you failed to read that link. You won't find one place in it that mentions a church or whether it pays taxes or not. What you will find is talk about the government forcing a business to pay for things the owners don't approve of.
How about you back down a bit and think what happens if the Greens close their stores, nationwide. When their former employees hit the unemployment lines will the unemployment for that time go up, remain the same or go down. I don't think the government can force a business to remain in business unless they pay them like they did the auto manufacturers. Do you really think that this whole thing is aimed at churches or is there a chance that the Obamas are trying to force people to live outside their moral beliefs? If you think the Obamas are right then you better get ready for a huge gain in unemployment. You haven't thought of that yet, have you?
I did read the link but got on a tangent of churches not paying taxes...sorry lol
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