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I took a lot of upper division history classes in college--really just because I was interested in the subjects, it wasn't my major---and I can't remember ever having some sort of "white guilt" being the subject of the class.
I took a class on the history of modern post-colonial Africa for example and we had to read several books for the class looking at what led to the current state of Africa. One book focused on the failure of good intentions--the theory that outside foreign aid hadn't really helped Africa, one book looked at the difficult transition from colonial managed infrastructure to the early independent governments, one book said that Africans needed to look back to their own cultural roots to build their nations and not follow European models, and another looked at the kleptocracies and dictatorships that arose in the era. We were expected to read these books and be able to look at each one objectively and be able to critically discuss our own viewpoints about each one and understand how each theory related to what we learned about the history of the region. There was no overwhelming "blame the white man" theme. We read several theories and accounts of the era and situation.
I didn't find college to be a series of classes aimed at indoctrinating to one particular viewpoint--most teachers wanted students who could think critically and defend and argue different viewpoints--most classes were taught by the Socratic method.
Furthermore, I don't remember junior high or high school being focused on "white guilt" either. We were taught a more objective look at Columbus--he wasn't derided as a villain or held up as a hero, we simply learned that he was a product of his time and the early stages of exploration were a result of Europeans seeking a way to control the trade with the east--and also that most likely the Vikings got to America long before he did. We learned about both colonial societies and the Native American and the African slaves--unlike previous generations that got more of a whitewashing of history, we actually got to learn a little more of the whole story.
Hook 'em. In computer science many of my professors were non-white. I don't remember ever discussing race. Before you say "Oh that's Texas" UT-Austin is a liberal campus in a very liberal city...
It's not like race was a taboo subject at UT-Austin, but I didn't know anyone who mentioned anything about a professor 'indoctrinating' them. I didn't even hear right-wing friends complaining about it and trust me, if they thought for an instant someone was trying to brainwash them, they'd have been raising hell!
It just seemed to pop up. All of a sudden it was the topic du jour on talk radio and people were calling into their favorite conservative radio host saying things like "Long time listener, first time caller and I paid thousands of dollars for my child's college tuition and he came home on Christmas break and said, 'Mom, I think we should apologize to all the Black people.' and I certainly never taught him anything about Black people at home!!"
So that in that video in this thread, at one point one of the women says something like "in college I was taught that the white race is the cause of society's problems" or something like that.
That's a story you see a lot of on the internet. Someone talking about their socialist liberal homosexual muslim professor blaming white people for everything and telling white students they should feel guilty for their ancestors' actions.
But in my experience in college, I have never ever witnessed that. Maybe it's because I'm a business major and didn't take things like "race relations 100" for my core requirements, but I've seriously never been lectured to about white guilt or any other **** that the Internet says happens in every college in America.
So what say you, students and grads of P&OC? Were you ever witness to this stuff or can we safely say that it's a load of bull**** spread by people who are generally anti-education?
I don't recall getting any "white guilt" in college but I was an Anthropology major. We're generally ahead of the game .
So what say you, students and grads of P&OC? Were you ever witness to this stuff or can we safely say that it's a load of bull**** spread by people who are generally anti-education?
It started in the mid-1990s thanks to Blow Job Bill and ended in the early part of this century...
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Been there, done that. It pretty much sucks if you get stuck in one of those classes.
I remember when the University of Cincinnati forced everyone to take this one special "ethnic diversity class." It was more or less a "bash conservative white males" class.
Anyway the professor just starts ripping one of the students and in the middle of her diatribe he pulls out a tribal ID card.
He's a freaking Miami Indian from some reservation in Oklahoma. He said "Read and weep biatch" or something like that and it just floored her, then he walked out of class. And then a few others did too (including me). The university dropped it as a requirement so I never had to go back and take it.
Some of the nonsense from liberal professors is just shocking to the point of even offending liberals sometimes.
For those who don't know, Miami Indians may attend the university consortium for free, which includes Miami (Oxford), uh, obviously, UC, Xavier and Northern Kentucky University.
My understanding was that Blow Job Bill threatened and intimidated universities into offering such courses, by withholding federal funding and not being so lenient on student loans and grants for the university, and that law either expired and was not renewed or dumped altogether.
I was looking for some legal loop-hole to get out of taking the course.
Seriously, to pay money to have someone berate me?
The paternal side of my family came here in 1865. They lived on a mountain-top in Kentucky and never bothered anyone.
My maternal side was held in slavery on a Papal Estate for 6 centuries before being liberated by Muslims, and they came to the US just before WW II.
Screaming at me for something someone else did isn't going to gain my sympathies.
Some people are going to regard your statement as racist. This is why. Non-White peoples. especially Blacks, have been talked down to, and mistreated for a long time, so there is a feeling of "you just say that because you look down on us. why should we listen?"
You saying all of this is going to make people resist even more. It is your arrogant attitude that is going to turn people off, that is going to anger people. No one wants someone coming to them with a hubris, with a racial arrogance. It is going to make people hate you more, and not look up to you.
I find it personally insulting that I should owe blacks anything - particularly money - because white people in the past treated them poorly. My dad's family was not in this country at all until 1870, and that was the Scottish bunch, who were denied jobs because people confused them with Irish. And then in 1905, the Swiss side came over, and got hell during both world wars because the German sounding surname wasn't changed at Ellis Island. Got called names and denied jobs - nice welcome there! Mom's side has been around since whenever the Cherokee and the Shawnee came over, plus the Mayflower, and on and on. Only one small section of her family owned slaves at all. The rest were poor and broke and some of them were Native Americans. But hey, I'm white, so apparently I must pay for the misdeeds of Americans who were involved in the slave trade and who were here doing nasty things long before my dad's ancestors even came here. Ridiculous. If we're going to do reparations, I want paid for the lost jobs of my ancestors here. My great-grandparents starved because they looked Irish or had a German name, and were called Nazis, when they were not. I also want compensated for that whole Trail of Tears mess and the relocation of the Shawnee. I am entitled! I was wronged! I deserve compensation!
I haven't heard much about white guilt in college, but I've heard tons about it among people my age, who seem to love talking about it, particularly black people, and the gay, lesbian, bisexual crowd.
I'm pretty sure I can go back into the family tree and find that my ancestors somewhere were slaves, the Greeks had slaves, the Romans had them, Africans had them, Indians had them, Egyptians had them. Later on there were serfs who had no opportunity. Every civilization has had them. Even Native Americans here in the USA had slaves, they would go and capture people from other tribes and turn them into slaves.
It is the attitude that whitey owes blackfolk something that will derail any race discussion in this country. I don't think racism is gone - but stuff like affirmative action, forcing people with money to have their children attend schools with people who have kids with awful habits, and whining about reparations is going to go nowhere and will set the whole thing back.
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