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Old 12-30-2012, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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So that in that video in this thread, at one point one of the women says something like "in college I was taught that the white race is the cause of society's problems" or something like that.

That's a story you see a lot of on the internet. Someone talking about their socialist liberal homosexual muslim professor blaming white people for everything and telling white students they should feel guilty for their ancestors' actions.

But in my experience in college, I have never ever witnessed that. Maybe it's because I'm a business major and didn't take things like "race relations 100" for my core requirements, but I've seriously never been lectured to about white guilt or any other **** that the Internet says happens in every college in America.

So what say you, students and grads of P&OC? Were you ever witness to this stuff or can we safely say that it's a load of bull**** spread by people who are generally anti-education?
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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I kind of was.

It was one of those classes that filled a cultural and a writing requirement. I couldn't stand the class and considered it a big waste of time.

Anyways, my story.....

We had to read a small piece of literature about an island in the Caribbean. The narrator spoke of the corruption and desolation throughout the island as we, the reader, traveled around it. The narrator would say things like "And look to your left. Here are the islanders doing their worship service. Look at them as worship a God. A European God at that. A God whose teachings brought so much pain upon these people. But what do you care of such complex things? You are here for the beaches, right?"

The whole text basically spoke of how Europeans brought many Africans to this island, treated them terribly for centuries, and then bailed and left the Africans in a situation that they couldn't work or thrive in. The narrator spoke from the second person narrative and constantly used the word 'you' in the text as if she was lecturing us.

The professor asked us what we thought of the text and I was the first person to raise my hand and call the author out for being a racist. This started a very interesting discussion for the entire rest of the class. lol.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:25 PM
 
Location: NC
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Yes, there was a requirement that we used to joke was the white men are bad.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:30 PM
 
Location: California
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I kind of was.

It was one of those classes that filled a cultural and a writing requirement. I couldn't stand the class and considered it a big waste of time.

Anyways, my story.....

We had to read a small piece of literature about an island in the Caribbean. The narrator spoke of the corruption and desolation throughout the island as we, the reader, traveled around it. The narrator would say things like "And look to your left. Here are the islanders doing their worship service. Look at them as worship a God. A European God at that. A God whose teachings brought so much pain upon these people. But what do you care of such complex things? You are here for the beaches, right?"

The whole text basically spoke of how Europeans brought many Africans to this island, treated them terribly for centuries, and then bailed and left the Africans in a situation that they couldn't work or thrive in. The narrator spoke from the second person narrative and constantly used the word 'you' in the text as if she was lecturing us.

The professor asked us what we thought of the text and I was the first person to raise my hand and call the author out for being a racist. This started a very interesting discussion for the entire rest of the class. lol.
I'm not sure I get what you're saying...so if a non European was reading it would they be being lectured to as well? I wouldn't call that racist, I'd call it someone narrating a story to someone. And it's not wrong.

I wasn't exposed to any "white guilt" stuff. There was a requirement to take a class that focused on a minority group or women. usually it is literature, but it's just another look at something I probably didn't know anything about in the first place, which is what college and education are all about.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:32 PM
 
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I certainly wasn't.

What I did learn was the truth about some things, like small pox in blankets "given" to native americans; slavery; treatment of most immigrant peoples (Irish need not apply).
I also learned in political science some actual facts, not fictions.

Maybe I learned a little about the responsibility that white men should have accepted for their actions.

Basically, I was offered information and made my own judgments about the information.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:32 PM
 
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I had a history professor (one of my best professors actually...) who talked about what it means to be white vs. what it means to be [minority]. It wasn't white-guilt, but rather, actualization of "privilege" in this country for the white-majority. There's nothing inherently guiltable about being white any more than any other skin tone, but pretending that minorities are A-Okay now because we've got a black guy in office or the civil rights movement was fifty years ago, etc, is laughable. It was a matter of realizing that we still have institutional bias against dozens of different minorities.

So, less "you're bad for being white," and more "you don't realize what it's like being not white."
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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I'm not sure I get what you're saying...so if a non European was reading it would they be being lectured to as well? I wouldn't call that racist, I'd call it someone narrating a story to someone. And it's not wrong.

I wasn't exposed to any "white guilt" stuff. There was a requirement to take a class that focused on a minority group or women. usually it is literature, but it's just another look at something I probably didn't know anything about in the first place, which is what college and education are all about.
True. The narrator could be lecturing someone who is non-white. A girl from Kenya who was in the class with me comes to mind. The racist part is that the woman basically blamed every problem on this island full of black people on Europeans, as if the people living on the island had nothing to do with it. The narrator also spoke of American and Europe being evil places. There was a very racist theme coming from the narrator.

Of course, the moral of the story was to make the white readers feel guilty. That was the authors sole intention as she wanted to connect the suffering of these people to European colonists and to make the white readers guility of it. I find that to be racist.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:47 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Never. Not even once.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:49 PM
 
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I'm not white, but i never heard of it happening.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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True. The narrator could be lecturing someone who is non-white. A girl from Kenya who was in the class with me comes to mind. The racist part is that the woman basically blamed every problem on this island full of black people on Europeans, as if the people living on the island had nothing to do with it. The narrator also spoke of American and Europe being evil places. There was a very racist theme coming from the narrator.

Of course, the moral of the story was to make the white readers feel guilty. That was the authors sole intention as she wanted to connect the suffering of these people to European colonists and to make the white readers guility of it. I find that to be racist.
It sure isn't the Africans fault that they are suck on little islands with little resource
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