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but gay "marriage" laws force me to violate my religion or get punished financially. You vote for gay "marriage" as the law reads now in every single state that allows it, and gay bigots can sue religious people.
PS there is no constitutional right for freedom from religon.
I'll leave Torah and Talmud to you, you'd better leave the Constitution and the law to me.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Though various legal precedents and other laws, that also applies to the several states. Again, no one is passing any law that forces you to violate your religion. You have the right to refuse service if it violates your religion. If they want to sue you they aren't going to get far. But you can't tell two people they are not allowed to marry because it violates YOUR religion. You can only tell them that you cannot be involved in their marriage, the rules of your religion prevent it.
You still refuse to get it even though I keep removing your excuses. I'm just glad most American Jews actually do respect the rights of their fellow American citizens, instead of demanding America change itself to suit them. Maybe one day God will open your eyes.
So everyone is supposed to do what you want to accommodate you? Do you have any idea how incredibly selfish that is?
Get over yourself. There are over 300 million people in this country. And that includes gay people. Millions and millions of people change careers. You have the freedom to do the same. Pick a career that doesn't violate your religion. Problem solved. Woo-hoo, it's a great country.
BTW: Between you and the OP we're actually learning a rather large lesson in religious IN-tolerance.
I'm not selfish I will fight for the same rights as I want for all religious people be it Muslims, or Christans. you are the slefish one who wants to force half the country to violate its religion. you want relgious people to suffer financially when you support gay "marriage". If we would make a law that only people who have biological children (of both parents) with their spouses can own a business you would say their trying to financhal starve the LGBT "community" so to gay "marriage" starves the religious community and is thus bigoted.
I'll leave Torah and Talmud to you, you'd better leave the Constitution and the law to me.
to bad for you I know both better then you do.
there is no constitional right for 2 members of the same sex to marry which is why not person actually voted on the constitution and it's first 14 amendments ever claimed that. In fact they all would be on my side constitutionally speaking.
And consider this. I contend legalized gay marriage would decrease the number of fraudulent spousal green cards and the number of opportunities to obtain a fraudulent spousal green card. Imagine you're a Mexican who wants to find an American to sham-marry for a green card. Right now, who's more likely to agree to that: a straight person or a gay person?
I would think most straight people wouldn't even consider it - they have in their mind that they're going to someday marry their sweetheart. Now most gay people in this country can't marry their sweetheart - the law forbids it. They don't have that same deterrent. When asked, they might think: "Well, I can't marry my boyfriend anyway, and I'm kinda pissed off that the US treats me like that, so sure, why the hell not. Let's get fake married for your green card."
Let gays marry, and that temptation goes away - we'd rather not get sham married if the prospect of marrying the man or women we actually love and want to marry is ahead of us.
Illegal immigrants are less of a threat to society than same sex marriage.
I'll leave Torah and Talmud to you, you'd better leave the Constitution and the law to me.
Though various legal precedents and other laws, that also applies to the several states. Again, no one is passing any law that forces you to violate your religion. You have the right to refuse service if it violates your religion. If they want to sue you they aren't going to get far. But you can't tell two people they are not allowed to marry because it violates YOUR religion. You can only tell them that you cannot be involved in their marriage, the rules of your religion prevent it.
You still refuse to get it even though I keep removing your excuses. I'm just glad most American Jews actually do respect the rights of their fellow American citizens, instead of demanding America change itself to suit them. Maybe one day God will open your eyes.
except they won in many cases. see the YU case for example. gay rights supports are truly bigotry supporters.
You just described the vast majority of the gay army.
Here you stated perfectly what homosexuals should do.
Cope. You too. You do not get to dictate how other people live. That's just the way it is. If you don't like gays.... too bad. Find someplace to live where all the people you don't like are banished. Someplace where the Taliban is still in control would probably suit you, the OP and, perhaps, NY best.
They are also incredibly intolerant and want to dictate to other people and push their constrictive religion on everyone else. They LOVE restrictions in the name of God. I'd think you'd all be very happy.
Since homosexual couples cannot procreate, a contract for marriage that merges property rights for non-existent progeny is a nullity. A civil union and a bequest via will would better accomplish a merger of property of the parties to the compact.
What folks are not focusing on is that it is not "love" nor "rights" but allowable sexual gratification.
Assuming that all sexual gratification is none of the government's business, to license or proscribe, what about compelling other people to pay taxes that are funneled to benefit those that are abhorrent to one's personal value system?
Should a vegetarian underwrite a butcher shop? Should one who keeps kosher fund swine herders?
Consider that if all so-called "marriage" tax and socialist benefits were eliminated, would it still matter? Would homosexuals seek marriage?
Perhaps the remedy is simply to dismantle the "voluntary" socialist system. Oh - you were told it was mandatory? Tsk, tsk.
If god existed and did not want people to have anal sex I think he would have done something by now. So just by the fact that god has not stepped in shows he does not exist. "In those parts of the world where learning and science have prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue."
[Ethan Allen, Reason the Only Oracle of Man, pamphlet, 1784]
He did do something - read about the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah in Genesis.
That was meant to be a warning.
Jesus, in fact stated, as recorded in Matthew 11:23:
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"And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
America is becoming more like the "Cities of the Plain" with each passing day.
Our judgment is rightfully deserved.
Thankfully, our Lord is a loving God who gave His son as a sacrifice on the cross for our sin.
We can accept His forgiveness, but it is going to take a mass revival to reverse the descent into perversity that our nation now in undergoing.
there is no constitional right for 2 members of the same sex to marry which is why not person actually voted on the constitution and it's first 14 amendments ever claimed that. In fact they all would be on my side constitutionally speaking.
The Constitution says that the free exercise of religion shall not be prohibited to ANYONE. That means that you get to follow your beliefs, and I get to follow my beliefs. You don't get to tell people that THEY must comply with YOUR beliefs. You still choose to ignore that part though: you truly think you have the right to tell people how they must believe and how to live their lives, whether they like it or not.
You almost make me ashamed of my Jewish heritage. Luckily you don't speak for most Jews.
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