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Old 01-02-2013, 03:05 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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It has long been held that there are four sins which cry out to heaven for vengeance:

1. Willful murder.
2. The sin of Sodom.
3. Oppressing the poor.
4. Defrauding working men of their just wages.

All of these are sadly prevalent in the United States, but only one of these is threatening to become institutionalized today: the sin of Sodom, in the form of same-sex "marriage".

Same-sex "marriage" is not a mere trifle. If institutionalized it will turn our civilization inside-out. Although abortion (i.e., "willful murder") is arguably a greater evil, most citizens can at least avoid complicity. Not so with same-sex "marriage". Everyone from county clerks to school teachers, from insurance salesmen to commercial printers, from caterers to photographers, from journalists to secretaries, from social workers to health care professionals, etc. etc. ad infinitum, will be forced - on pain of legal sanctions, loss of employment, or social marginalization - to confess that unmarried people are married, that lies are truth, that unreality is reality; and to cooperate with and facilitate the whole damnable charade. This is the textbook definition of tyranny. Men and women of conscience, who refuse to lie or pretend for anyone, will eventually be deprived of their livelihoods.

"How Same-Sex 'Marriage' Suffocates Freedom"
by Bryce Christensen outlines the process:

"For those trying to enshrine the notion of same-sex 'marriage' in law are not primarily trying to enlarge the freedom of homosexuals; they are primarily striving to diminish the freedom of skeptics who would deny that the union of homosexuals is—or can ever be—a legitimate marriage. The aim of those trying to inscribe the novelty of homosexual marriage in law is actually that of making an outlaw out of anyone who would question the moral substance of this new social construct and the sexual behaviors it legitimates."

Do you love your country? If you do, you will do everything in your power to oppose the insidious totalitarian trojan horse (no pun intended) of same-sex "marriage". And by that I mean insisting that government acknowledge the metaphysical reality of marriage as it actually exists - the union of one man and one woman established for the procreation of children, the mutual help of spouses, and the prevention of concupiscence.

 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:13 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Not again
30,000 threads and still not one specifying how SSM would change the life of people like the OP
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:19 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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Not again
30,000 threads and still not one specifying how SSM would change the life of people like the OP
You're not paying attention. Examples have been posted to this forum time and time again. County clerks have been forced to resign, photographers and printers and innkeepers have been fined, businesses have shut down, and religious charities have closed their doors. The linked article in the OP, which you obviously didn't read, gives a few more examples from academia:

"In 2008, a biology professor at San Jose City College was dismissed for indicating—in answer to a student’s question about how heredity affects sexual orientation—that environment might be a cause of homosexuality. In 2010, Hasting College of Law denied official recognition and funding to the Christian Legal Society as a student organization (the first time it had ever denied a student organization recognition) because the group required officers (not its members) to affirm Christian sexual ethics, including the scriptural proscription against homosexuality. In 2009, a student was expelled from a counseling program at Eastern Michigan State University for refusing to affirm that homosexual behavior is normal and acceptable. In 2005, a student in a counseling program at Missouri State University found that the university had filed a grievance against her for refusing to fulfill a class assignment requiring her to write a letter to the state legislature advocating the legalization of homosexual adoption. And in 2011, a counseling student who dared to voice her opinion in class that homosexual acts are immoral learned that Augusta State University would not let her continue her academic program unless she successfully completed diversity-sensitivity training. The list goes on, with reports of similar anti-anti-homosexual bullying at Washington State University, Georgia Tech University, and the Ohio State University."
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
You're not paying attention. Examples have been posted to this forum time and time again. County clerks have been forced to resign, photographers and printers and innkeepers have been fined, businesses have shut down, and religious charities have closed their doors. The linked article in the OP, which you obviously didn't read, gives a few more examples from academia:
All those things are voluntary reactions by people like you who obsess over something that would affect your life in no way if you didn't know about it.
It is nothing but the idea of it that bothers you ......there is no actual effect.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
It has long been held that there are four sins which cry out to heaven for vengeance:

1. Willful murder.
2. The sin of Sodom.
3. Oppressing the poor.
4. Defrauding working men of their just wages.

All of these are sadly prevalent in the United States, but only one of these is threatening to become institutionalized today: the sin of Sodom, in the form of same-sex "marriage".

Same-sex "marriage" is not a mere trifle. If institutionalized it will turn our civilization inside-out. Although abortion (i.e., "willful murder") is arguably a greater evil, most citizens can at least avoid complicity. Not so with same-sex "marriage". Everyone from county clerks to school teachers, from insurance salesmen to commercial printers, from caterers to photographers, from journalists to secretaries, from social workers to health care professionals, etc. etc. ad infinitum, will be forced - on pain of legal sanctions, loss of employment, or social marginalization - to confess that unmarried people are married, that lies are truth, that unreality is reality; and to cooperate with and facilitate the whole damnable charade. This is the textbook definition of tyranny. Men and women of conscience, who refuse to lie or pretend for anyone, will eventually be deprived of their livelihoods.

"How Same-Sex 'Marriage' Suffocates Freedom"
by Bryce Christensen outlines the process:

"For those trying to enshrine the notion of same-sex 'marriage' in law are not primarily trying to enlarge the freedom of homosexuals; they are primarily striving to diminish the freedom of skeptics who would deny that the union of homosexuals is—or can ever be—a legitimate marriage. The aim of those trying to inscribe the novelty of homosexual marriage in law is actually that of making an outlaw out of anyone who would question the moral substance of this new social construct and the sexual behaviors it legitimates."

Do you love your country? If you do, you will do everything in your power to oppose the insidious totalitarian trojan horse (no pun intended) of same-sex "marriage". And by that I mean insisting that government acknowledge the metaphysical reality of marriage as it actually exists - the union of one man and one woman established for the procreation of children, the mutual help of spouses, and the prevention of concupiscence.
Republicans... always on the wrong side of history.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:31 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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All those things are voluntary reactions by people like you who obsess over something that would affect your life in no way if you didn't know about it.
It is nothing but the idea of it that bothers you ......there is no actual effect.
"Voluntary reactions"?

Avoiding evil is a "voluntary reaction" only if embracing evil is a legitimate option. Besides, your side isn't giving us the option of "not knowing about it". You shove it in our faces and demand that we cry "uncle".
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:39 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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None of the examples demonstrate how same-sex marriage is in any way a threat to society. The only thing demonstrated is that homophobia itself is a threat to society and those who practice it suffer negative consequences.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
"Voluntary reactions"?

Avoiding evil is a "voluntary reaction" only if embracing evil is a legitimate option. Besides, your side isn't giving us the option of "not knowing about it". You shove it in our faces and demand that we cry "uncle".
Ignore it....concentrate on your own life.
Trust me, it won't hurt a bit.
My neighbor eats okra.....makes me shudder just to think about it.....so I don't.
And good bye....this one just isn't worth rehashing over and over and over.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:49 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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Ignore it....concentrate on your own life.
Trust me, it won't hurt a bit.
Um, yes it will hurt.

Let me give you just one small example. There are 316,299 public school teachers in California. If they take your advice and ignore SB-48, they will lose their jobs. That will hurt.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 04:35 AM
 
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You're not paying attention. Examples have been posted to this forum time and time again. County clerks have been forced to resign, photographers and printers and innkeepers have been fined, businesses have shut down, and religious charities have closed their doors.
And all the same were possible repercussions to allowing interracial marriage, something that likewise was vehemently opposed by many "good religious folk" and described as an act against nature and God's will.

So freaking what. Boo hoo.
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