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Old 01-02-2013, 06:34 PM
 
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Religion and businesses are not the same thing. No one is forcing anyone to go into business. If you can not follow the laws that all businesses must follow, then don't open a business. It's simple really.
Actually, practically every business owner started their business before ssm laws were adopted. Not that it matters. I don't know if any state has tried to 'grandfather' existing businesses out of new anti-discrimination laws.

 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:35 PM
 
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They aren't religious, do not understand the concept, believe it a fairytale. Therefore, religion means nothing to them. They are blind my friend.
No, I don't get you guys at all.

Renting a rental hall, or transporting somebody via a trolly, or renting a hotel room, or serving a meal is not religious. Those are commercial acts, not religious ones.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:35 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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You don't get to decide how a person uses a product you sell.
Suppose I sell chemicals and I suspect a customer intends to make a bomb for illicit purposes. Are you saying I have no right to refuse to sell to him?
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Suppose I sell chemicals and I suspect a customer intends to make a bomb for illicit purposes. Are you saying I have no right to refuse to sell to him?
Are you suggesting that a same-sex wedding is morally equivalent to a bomb attack?

(I suppose that is consistent with your beliefs.)
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:37 PM
 
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If your religion doesn't allow you to follow the laws of your state that all other businesses follow, then you shouldn't be in business.
stop hiding behind "gay rights" and admit that you agree with the NAZI policies of closing down Jewish run businesses. I am under no obligation to obey Anti Semitic laws.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:38 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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America, land of the free.....?
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:38 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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No, I don't get you guys at all.

Renting a rental hall, or transporting somebody via a trolly, or renting a hotel room, or serving a meal is not religious. Those are commercial acts, not religious ones.
On the contrary, every human act has the potential for religious significance. Commerce is not exempt.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:39 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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stop hiding behind "gay rights" and admit that you agree with the NAZI policies of closing down Jewish run businesses.
Congratulations, you've just invoked Godwin's Law and automatically lost the argument.

Do you seriously think that those loving same-sex couples are motivated by Nazi-style anti-Semitism?

Really?
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:42 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Are you suggesting that a same-sex wedding is morally equivalent to a bomb attack?
No, it's probably worse. Acts against the soul are more grave than acts against the body.

But you are deliberately ignoring the point. Jjrose claims that a business owner has no right to refuse a customer based on how that customer is likely to use the product or service. I'd like to know if she is truly consistent, or if she just pulls out this argument when it comes to homosexuality.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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stop hiding behind "gay rights" and admit that you agree with the NAZI policies of closing down Jewish run businesses. I am under no obligation to obey Anti Semitic laws.

do you also want to put this on all Jewish Owned and run stores?

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I don't want any business to shut down, but any person who can not follow the laws of doing business should not be in business.
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