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Old 01-05-2013, 01:58 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Hammers are used to make all those guns!

If we banned hammers???

Oh, and screwdrivers as well. Famous case in NJ where a hubby saw his wife as the devil in the form of a fish and asked his son to get him a screwdriver. Stabbed her to death with a screwdriver!!!! Where is the call to ban screwdrivers!!?? Those evil tools which are used to assemble guns!

Bet the number of murders committed with a screwdriver far outnumber the mass killing of children in the USA.

Watch Disney's 'Fantasia'. See all those mops and brooms and buckets come to life and wreak havoc????? You do know innatimate objects can't really come to life...right?
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Well, what would you say then? If you have numbers, (which some on here have a hard time understanding) and the first number is 6000+ and the next number is 350ish.....

Which one do you think has the higher kill rate?

It's not that hard....
The statistics do not support the conclusion you are trying to draw.

Nothing in these FBI statistics addresses the "kill rate" in the way you are claiming. The only thing the statistics tell us is the absolute number of homicides with each implement, and it is undoubtedly correct that handguns are used in many times more the number of homicides than rifles.

In order for your claim to be correct we would need to know the likelihood that an assault with the intent to kill will succeed with each implement. If it were the case that people tried to use rifles and handguns to commit murder the same number of times, and they were successful with handguns more than 6000 times and with rifles only 350 times then you would be correct.

The statistics provided in the FBI study we have been discussing say nothing about how likely death is the result when an attempt is made using each method or implement.

Of course, you already knew that.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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The statistics do not support the conclusion you are trying to draw.

Nothing in these FBI statistics addresses the "kill rate" in the way you are claiming. The only thing the statistics tell us is the absolute number of homicides with each implement, and it is undoubtedly correct that handguns are used in many times more the number of homicides than rifles.

In order for your claim to be correct we would need to know the likelihood that an assault with the intent to kill will succeed with each implement. If it were the case that people tried to use rifles and handguns to commit murder the same number of times, and they were successful with handguns more than 6000 times and with rifles only 350 times then you would be correct.

The statistics provided in the FBI study we have been discussing say nothing about how likely death is the result when an attempt is made using each method or implement.

Of course, you already knew that.
So, you really think that "people are missing" with rifles, that many times?
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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So, you really think that "people are missing" with rifles, that many times?
No, that was your claim. Remember this?

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But, if he has a pistol, rather than a rifle....there is a about a 5000% higher chance that you don't make it....

Why cannot lefties understand this?
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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No, that was your claim. Remember this?
When, 6000+ people are knowingly killed by pistols, and 350 people are killed by a rifle.....

There is a more than great chance that many more were also missed with a pistol.....than a rifle....

In case you have not figured it out yet....a pistol is a lot harder to aim with, than a rifle.....however the pistol has killed many many more....
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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When, 6000+ people are knowingly killed by pistols, and 350 people are killed by a rifle.....

There is a more than great chance that many more were also missed with a pistol.....than a rifle....

In case you have not figured it out yet....a pistol is a lot harder to aim with, than a rifle.....however the pistol has killed many many more....
You're just pathetic. You apparently have no idea you're just contradicting yourself.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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You're just pathetic. You apparently have no idea you're just contradicting yourself.
Nope, it's just fun to mess with people like you!

If you had a clue, you would have seen that 20 posts ago....
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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An interesting side note...

50% of suicides are committed with a firearm.
For convenience purposes.
If ya really wanted to off yerself,
lack of a firearm wouldn't stop ya.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:21 PM
 
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how bout axes??

im sure many have died by the ax

should we be outlawing the hammer and ax??

and what about the household stairs, every year people die on stairs....i think we should have a new law,,,,no more stairs


and cars?? we can cut the head injuries and maybe even deaths, in half, if every driver was required to where a helmet while driving..
i think we need a new law fow that
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