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Old 01-05-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I laugh every time I hear about cutting Social Securtiy, Medicare, Medicade, and every other program. Go ahead and cut, cut, cut away dumb asses. I Laugh at all these old fart republicans who Vote for these cuts. They are just shooting themselves in the foot. There is a huge amount of the population that are starting to retire, if not already retired. These are the people who will be directly affected by this. So go ahead republicans, cut all the money for your core voters. Let's see how long this will last. These old baby boomers who vote republican are really voting against their best interest. I am amazed how the GOP has brain washed their core voters, really, I am. If these cuts go into effect, I smell a very angry population.
I smell an angry population if they aren't cut and taxes are raised. It's a lose/ lose for politicians. Thus no action. We are stuck with empty promises.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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Well Obama isn't going to cut Medicaid. We all know that since the Surpeme court gave him the go ahead with his "taxation" manadate to fund Obamacare.

Medicaid will essentially double or triple and the Feds (us taxpayers are the ones) putting up most of the funding if the States cannot handle it.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Garden State
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I guess you think that Social Security and Medicare are both entitlements. The only people I hear calling them that are always leaners. I have been paying into Social Security for about 68 years and most people who get entitlements have never paid a penny to get them. I have paid on Medicare for all 47 years of its existence so don't consider that an entitlement, either. Now Medicaid that is extended to people who haven't paid any kind of taxes sure as hell is an entitlement.

I think it is past time for you of the left to find out what entitlement really means.
That is not always true about Medicaid. Some people do abuse the process, but there is a great need for Medicaid for certain people.

When my mother became severely disabled with Alzheimer's and other health issues we tried to get her into a nursing home. There was no way that I could take care of her. Even if I had the money I don't have the physical or emotional ability to care for someone with such issues. She needed 24/7 care, and I had to work. Alzheimer's is a truly terrible disease. She was attacking people. It is heartbreaking, and her sister is also currently suffering from Alzheimer's, and one of their cousins started suffering from it in her 40s! We have very few relatives in this country, and I am an only child, and my father is long dead. It was up to me to figure out how to care for her. We were living in a rat-filled apartment that was much too expensive to live in. I knew that we needed to get out, and that she needed help! I was on the verge of a breakdown! I moved into a cheap one-room apartment with my future husband, and we started the complicated process.

She had social security and Medicare, but Medicare does not pay for nursing home care, and most nursing homes cost over $100,000 a year (this is why most people in nursing homes eventually end up on Medicaid, because their funds eventually run out). She had worked very hard her whole life, sometimes working 3 low-paid jobs at the same time, but had nothing saved and no home to sell. For several months my future husband and I completed all of the paperwork to get her accepted by Medicaid. We went through so much crap to do this, I could write a book. There were people more than willing to have an Alzheimer's patient live in the street!

Finally, she was accepted for both Medicaid and for nursing home care (the state kept trying to give her "assisted living care" but that was not acceptable to me). When we applied to the nursing home she is in now, they were so impressed that we had already completed the process. Of course my mother actually have to live in a homeless shelter while we were undergoing the process. It was all a part of getting her "in the system." It was truly horrifying, but the only way.

It is wonderful. She is in a beautiful nursing home five minutes from me with 24/7 care, on a locked floor. Every month her social security pays for a very small portion of her care (she gets about $1200 a month in Social Security), and Medicaid pays the rest (the home costs over $100,000 a year). She gets all of her medicine through Medicaid and PAAD (drug prescription plan in NJ) and great care! Every month some money is put into her "account" at the nursing home which pays for her haircuts and new clothes. She is now wheelchair bound and deep into Alzheimer's (she doesn't know who I am anymore ), but at least she gets GREAT care!
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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The GOP is demanding entitlement cuts for a raising of the debt ceiling, does this mean that the GOP will finally say how much they want to cut entitlement spending?
They need to cut defense, pork, cut out benefits for immigrants (both legal and illegal and their bratty kids that are born here), cut out the child tax credits, earned income tax credits before they even think of cutting these benefits that we native working Americans pay for through our taxes.
Cutting SS, medicare benefits is just a ploy to bring us down to our knees and take what they "give us".
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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One problem with social security is that while many people work 50 or more years and pay in huge amounts, all that is required is to work and pay in a mere 10 years. Imagine that!!! Pay in a minimal amount for only 10 short years and you're in. Someone who paid in since age 15 and retires at age 70 will never see his money but social security is an excellent deal for someone who worked only 10 years and retired as early as possible.

They could save social security easily be limiting checks to those who worked and paid in for at least 40 years.
Except in cases of disability. Then they need to eliminate the SSI that lower income recipients receive that in turn qualifies them for medicaid and other welfare benefits.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The GOP is demanding entitlement cuts for a raising of the debt ceiling, does this mean that the GOP will finally say how much they want to cut entitlement spending?

Nope. They are waiting for the president to lead. And really, why shouldn't he? He isn't going to get reelected again. Stabilizing these programs is a top priority for the American people.

No one wants to put their hand on the stove first, but the way I see it, the president has the least to lose. But I don't expect president Obama to lead, he isn't much of a leader
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I laugh every time I hear about cutting Social Securtiy, Medicare, Medicade, and every other program. Go ahead and cut, cut, cut away dumb asses. I Laugh at all these old fart republicans who Vote for these cuts. They are just shooting themselves in the foot. There is a huge amount of the population that are starting to retire, if not already retired. These are the people who will be directly affected by this. So go ahead republicans, cut all the money for your core voters. Let's see how long this will last. These old baby boomers who vote republican are really voting against their best interest. I am amazed how the GOP has brain washed their core voters, really, I am. If these cuts go into effect, I smell a very angry population.
I suppose it's not comprehensible to you that some older conservatives will vote against their own (immediate) best financial interests because they care more about the future of this country and the upcoming generations that the gimme,gimme crowd.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I guess you think that Social Security and Medicare are both entitlements. The only people I hear calling them that are always leaners. I have been paying into Social Security for about 68 years and most people who get entitlements have never paid a penny to get them. I have paid on Medicare for all 47 years of its existence so don't consider that an entitlement, either. Now Medicaid that is extended to people who haven't paid any kind of taxes sure as hell is an entitlement.

I think it is past time for you of the left to find out what entitlement really means.
Tell me, Roy ~ when Republicans talk about cutting 'entitlement spending' ~ what ARE they referring to?

I'm curious.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Garden State
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Tell me, Roy ~ when Republicans talk about cutting 'entitlement spending' ~ what ARE they referring to?

I'm curious.
I don't think he's talking about all the perks that the big CEO's and big bankers get.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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I guess you think that Social Security and Medicare are both entitlements. The only people I hear calling them that are always leaners. I have been paying into Social Security for about 68 years and most people who get entitlements have never paid a penny to get them. I have paid on Medicare for all 47 years of its existence so don't consider that an entitlement, either. Now Medicaid that is extended to people who haven't paid any kind of taxes sure as hell is an entitlement.

I think it is past time for you of the left to find out what entitlement really means.
It is certainly an entitlement when you get more than you paid in. Can you say with certainty that you won't recieve more benefits than you paid for? Heck one surgery would probably wipe out everything you ever put into to system for Medicare.

As for your 47 years, when did you pay for Medicare part D ?

I don't agree with Libertarians on everything, but at least they are consistent. You big government Republicans crack me up.
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