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We have reached a time in this country where we clearly have 2 visions of America.
One vision advocates strong government control and the sacrifice of individual rights for the benefit of a more structured society and increased socialist entitlements.
The other vision is of the traditional values of freedom, liberty, and self-dependence where government is much less intrusive in our day to day lives.
One solution to accommodate both visions would be a two tiered society.
You could accomplish this by having 2 different classes of citizen. For the benefit of example we will call these Class 1 and Class 2 citizens.
A class 1 citizen could be entitled to government entitlements, but would also be subject to all regulations, licenses, and permits required by government. Their rights would be subject to the democratic process and government regulation and could be granted or removed by a vote of the people.
A class 2 citizen would be entitled to no government entitlements, and would need to establish minimum levels of wealth, property ownership, IQ, and understanding of Law and Civics. They would also need to carry several million dollars’ worth of blanket liability insurance in order to satisfy any judgments that may result from any actions of negligence.
Their rights would be inalienable and not subject to question.
They would be exempt from regulation, license requirements, and permits.
They would be free to carry concealed weapons, Travel without restrictions, or being subject to TSA, or any other government agencies existing under "color of law". They would be exempt from prosecution for drug laws, or any other so called victimless crimes.
They could still be tried for felonies in which someone was victimized. But would be exempt, or pay non-criminal fines without arrest for misdemeanors and infractions.
Both classes would be subject to taxes on an equal basis.
Under this system both visions of America could be accommodated, and society would not feel as if one segment was infringing on the other segments rights.
[quote=jimhcom;27823160]We have reached a time in this country where we clearly have 2 visions of America.
One vision advocates strong government control and the sacrifice of individual rights for the benefit of a more structured society and increased socialist entitlements.
The other vision is of the traditional values of freedom, liberty, and self-dependence where government is much less intrusive in our day to day lives.
One solution to accommodate both visions would be a two tiered society.
You could accomplish this by having 2 different classes of citizen. For the benefit of example we will call these Class 1 and Class 2 citizens.
A class 1 citizen could be entitled to government entitlements, but would also be subject to all regulations, licenses, and permits required by government. Their rights would be subject to the democratic process and government regulation and could be granted or removed by a vote of the people.
jmo, its much more complex than that.
We are seeing yet more divisive sharp (and dangerous) divisions in our society
Divide and conquer is the oldest political game in the world
13th Century
Genghis Khan: Breaking tribal connections amongst people:
Before Genghis Khan, many tribes and confederations, including the Naimans, Merkits, Tatars, Mongols, and Keraits, often raided and battled each other, and maintained centuries-old blood feuds. In addition, many families and individuals had been ostracized from tribes for various reasons and were living outside of tribal protection. These latter groups were welcomed by Genghis into his armies
While I fully believe in the concept that all men are created equal, and should have equal opportunity, the reality is that by the time we become adults we are undeniably not all equal.
Society should recognise that fact.
Why should people who are parasites on society, who consistently act with irresponsibility and shirk their civic responsibilities, be given the same rights and privileges as people who do act responsibly and contribute to the bettering of society as a whole? The answer is they should not.
The really irritating thing is now we have nearly half the population who do not even want to have the rights granted to them in the bill of rights. They would prefer a parental government to tell them what to do and to be dependent on.
That is fine, allow them to have that status, just do not force the people who want to be free citizens in the original concept have to give up their rights and live under tyrannical government rule.
We have reached a time in this country where we clearly have 2 visions of America.
One vision advocates strong government control and the sacrifice of individual rights for the benefit of a more structured society and increased socialist entitlements.
The other vision is of the traditional values of freedom, liberty, and self-dependence where government is much less intrusive in our day to day lives.
One solution to accommodate both visions would be a two tiered society.
You could accomplish this by having 2 different classes of citizen. For the benefit of example we will call these Class 1 and Class 2 citizens.
A class 1 citizen could be entitled to government entitlements, but would also be subject to all regulations, licenses, and permits required by government. Their rights would be subject to the democratic process and government regulation and could be granted or removed by a vote of the people.
A class 2 citizen would be entitled to no government entitlements, and would need to establish minimum levels of wealth, property ownership, IQ, and understanding of Law and Civics. They would also need to carry several million dollars’ worth of blanket liability insurance in order to satisfy any judgments that may result from any actions of negligence.
Their rights would be inalienable and not subject to question.
They would be exempt from regulation, license requirements, and permits.
They would be free to carry concealed weapons, Travel without restrictions, or being subject to TSA, or any other government agencies existing under "color of law". They would be exempt from prosecution for drug laws, or any other so called victimless crimes.
They could still be tried for felonies in which someone was victimized. But would be exempt, or pay non-criminal fines without arrest for misdemeanors and infractions.
Both classes would be subject to taxes on an equal basis.
Under this system both visions of America could be accommodated, and society would not feel as if one segment was infringing on the other segments rights.
Sorry. You can't force tier 2 to carry liability insurance and you can't force them to pay the same tax rate a tier 1.
Well you could always try seceding, that seems to be what the far right want when they don't get their way.
Question for you, what things do you want to depend on the federal government and state governments to do for you? It is easy to say government should stay out of my life until it is needed.
Hurricane Sandy, if your democrat neighbor got help from the government while your place was still a pile of rubble with no help from the government, you would be pissed.
Well you could always try seceding, that seems to be what the far right want when they don't get their way.
Question for you, what things do you want to depend on the federal government and state governments to do for you? It is easy to say government should stay out of my life until it is needed.
Hurricane Sandy, if your democrat neighbor got help from the government while your place was still a pile of rubble with no help from the government, you would be pissed.
Actually, all of human history says you are wrong.
If I had private insurance that covered Sandy damage and you were waiting on the government to fix your place you'd be the one out of luck.
There are FEMA trailers meant for Katrina victims still sitting in storage in Arkansas.
And I could move in faster if I didn't have to sit around for weeks or months waiting on some government inspector to tell me my house is safe, something I already determined.
Actually, all of human history says you are wrong.
If I had private insurance that covered Sandy damage and you were waiting on the government to fix your place you'd be the one out of luck.
There are FEMA trailers meant for Katrina victims still sitting in storage in Arkansas.
And I could move in faster if I didn't have to sit around for weeks or months waiting on some government inspector to tell me my house is safe, something I already determined.
And if Sandy washed the road out that led to your house making it impassable?
And if Sandy washed the road out that led to your house making it impassable?
That's really the failing in most of that kind of extreme "me first" thinking that we see a lot of these days: There is little or no consideration (or perhaps active "burying one's head in the sand") with regard to how one's own actions and the impact of one's own preferences would have on others. It is almost as if some people view their life as the only thing that is real and everyone else around them are just scripted characters sprinkled around to keep things interesting.
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