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Old 01-22-2013, 06:48 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Wow. I guess conservatives get to make up their own "facts" now.

1) His healthcare plan is Hillary's plan? Uh, no. Try Romney's plan... ouch that must hurt! LOL!

2) He DID get a majority of the votes, so your 45% number is made up out of thin air.

3) It's ironic that you would claim voter fraud when that is exactly what the right was trying to do before the election. There are many documented cases of it you must have ignored by watching Fox Noise.

4) Weak support for gun control? Have you been paying attention at all? A majority of Americans want stricter gun control (gun show loophole closed, mentally ill restrictions, etc.)

5) "Never vetted"... funny.

6) He never "continued" the war in Iraq... in fact he ENDED it and is ending Afghanistan next year.

You must live in backwards world... all of your "facts" are exactly the opposite of what you claim and provably so!


actually, he is not bring the troops from iraq and afghanistan, he is just bring home the combat troops. leanr about it before replying with gibberish.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If anything, they were voted OUT... you do realize that Republicans lost seats in both the House and the Senate this election, right?
Not only did the GOP lose seats -- but they lost seats when about 75% of the Senate seats were incumbent Dem seats up for re-election.

They also lost House seats and more people voted for Democrats than Republicans overall. Had it not been for gerrymandering, the GOP would have lost the House too.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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The overall premise of the OP may have some merit, but I believe it places the House (in general) in a defensive position instead of an offensive position. The House, no matter who has the majority, was put in place to do exactly what it is doing, and that is to provide for the will of the people who elected it and to put the proper checks and balances in place.

Liberals are just upset that Obama doesn't have free reign to dictate what he wants for America. Liberals should not be upset, they should celebrate this monumental foresight by our forefathers, because one day liberals will be on the other side of the table breathing a sigh of relief that voters let them hold the House while the GOP holds the Presidency.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The overall premise of the OP may have some merit, but I believe it places the House (in general) in a defensive position instead of an offensive position. The House, no matter who has the majority, was put in place to do exactly what it is doing, and that is to provide for the will of the people who elected it and to put the proper checks and balances in place.

Liberals are just upset that Obama doesn't have free reign to dictate what he wants for America. Liberals should not be upset, they should celebrate this monumental foresight by our forefathers, because one day liberals will be on the other side of the table breathing a sigh of relief that voters let them hold the House while the GOP holds the Presidency.
Did you feel the same way when Bush declared he had a mandate?
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Republicans are always free to nominate a conservative. It's not our fault that they don't.

So you do have a choice.

We did. As always, the Progressives silenced the truth. Romney was placed for us all to see the puppet show.

Look what the machine did to the real Conservative. You are fooling yourself if you believe John McCain(Progressive) and Mitt Romney(Progressive), were place in the spot, by Conservatives.

Everything has become a name and a label, to put you and I, into a group. It is funny to see very Progressive politicians called Republican Conservatives..... G.W and H.W Bush come to mind.

In 2009 very few Conservative's were left in the Republican Party. Bohner and McConnel cannot control the class of 2010 and it looks to have grown today.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The overall premise of the OP may have some merit, but I believe it places the House (in general) in a defensive position instead of an offensive position. The House, no matter who has the majority, was put in place to do exactly what it is doing, and that is to provide for the will of the people who elected it and to put the proper checks and balances in place.

Liberals are just upset that Obama doesn't have free reign to dictate what he wants for America. Liberals should not be upset, they should celebrate this monumental foresight by our forefathers, because one day liberals will be on the other side of the table breathing a sigh of relief that voters let them hold the House while the GOP holds the Presidency.

Dictatorships, Kings and mobs, are held at bay by this little hill in the process, to save the little guy.

Just like the Revolution for our nations freedom, it allows 5% of the people to start a revolution, when the mob has restricted their freedoms.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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Congresscritters don't get a national mandate, they get a local one. Their elected to represent the interests of the voters in the district that elected them. Should a GOP congresscritter from conservative district give a damn what liberal voters in other districts want? No.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:55 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Congresscritters don't get a national mandate, they get a local one. Their elected to represent the interests of the voters in the district that elected them. Should a GOP congresscritter from conservative district give a damn what liberal voters in other districts want? No.


Some can't see past their noses to realize this little aspect of a Republic.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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The whole "mandate" conversation is nothing more than political rhetoric. People can't even agree on what percentage of votes is required for a "mandate" or what the "mandate" would be about since people vote on a number of different issues. It's nothing more than a vague claim to try to get people not to argue with you. The President won the election so he has a reponsibility to the voters to do what he said he would do. Each member of Congress won an election based on what they said they would do, thus they also have a responsibility to the voters to do what they said. Leadership, talent, and a concern for country are required to reconcile the different postions and those are serioulsy lacking throughout our government.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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The overall premise of the OP may have some merit, but I believe it places the House (in general) in a defensive position instead of an offensive position. The House, no matter who has the majority, was put in place to do exactly what it is doing, and that is to provide for the will of the people who elected it and to put the proper checks and balances in place.

Liberals are just upset that Obama doesn't have free reign to dictate what he wants for America. Liberals should not be upset, they should celebrate this monumental foresight by our forefathers, because one day liberals will be on the other side of the table breathing a sigh of relief that voters let them hold the House while the GOP holds the Presidency.
Bleh..he kinda does have free reign. You'll see as the Republicans get mowed down like ducks in front of a machine gun over the next few years.
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We did. As always, the Progressives silenced the truth. Romney was placed for us all to see the puppet show.

Look what the machine did to the real Conservative. You are fooling yourself if you believe John McCain(Progressive) and Mitt Romney(Progressive), were place in the spot, by Conservatives.

Everything has become a name and a label, to put you and I, into a group. It is funny to see very Progressive politicians called Republican Conservatives..... G.W and H.W Bush come to mind.

In 2009 very few Conservative's were left in the Republican Party. Bohner and McConnel cannot control the class of 2010 and it looks to have grown today.
But they WERE placed in the spot by conservatives. Either that, or your party has some serious dysfunction to address. If the Republican Party is the conservative party and vice versa, then they were put there by rank and file Republicans...meaning YOU.

Look, you guys won't run a so called "real" conservative because they can't win, and you know it. If they could, you'd run one. They can't, so you don't. It's really that simple. All of these clandestine machinations that you're putting forth here as something resembling reasoning really isn't convincing.
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