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It doesn't matter where your kids learn this stuff. No offense to parents here who think they are doing a good shielding their children from it all, but you're not. I learned about a lot of this stuff when I was in fourth grade, or TEN. Looked at porn at my friends house who had the internet when I was in fifth grade, or ELEVEN. I expect my kids to explore this stuff as well. No matter how many blocks you put on your computer, they will still see the stuff unless you prevent them from having any sort of social life and going over to friends houses.
Tough, it happens. I'm not some liberal brainwashed idiot or nothing, I'm fairly conservative, but sex is something that has always been very open in our society and it is impossible to prevent discussion of it. I knew what gay, oral, and anal was about the same time as 11. Better they learn what it all is and how to protect themselves from babies and STD's then let them stay ignorant until some boy or girl exposes them to sex and they have a baby, or an STD.
You are a realist.......
OTOH: setting and living up to your standards will likely earn your kids' respect so there will probably be fewer problems
This Health Fair was known in advance by parents because such fairs are always promoted.
Health Fairs are not always during school hours, and students are often accompanied by their parents.
This incident, like so many, is just blown out of proportion.
The variance between a labeled adult pamphlet and child's pamphlet is marginal, but explicit.
I am not going to excuse sloppy behavior, but I'm also not going to label people as so incompetent that we seek their dismissal.
If every worker across our nation was dismissed for sloppiness, or error, we'd have a high unemployment rate.
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Originally Posted by tinman01
Inever said it was. I said it was adult material for adults. By supplying such materials to children is no less wrong than giving them pornograghy. The point being no one had the right to give such material to children especially without parental consent. Then to use the ever popular lame excuse oops we made a mistake?????? This should never be tolerated... Parents should decide when their child is ready for such materials parents should decide whats appropriate. Not some politician, or civil servant.
Why am I not getting a picture of you in a mason jar (although I happen to have some extras)....I think we need more concrete data on this. After working in some of the roughest neighbours in NYC, and the poorest across NYS, I have never heard a single mention from an educator or an adolescent that these were subjects for discussion.
Furthermore, I have attended 2-day, 3-day, week-long events with youngsters as part of health education programs within and outside of schools, and no mention was ever made of anything like these references. And I underscore never.
And PS - the events I mention were over-nights and provided much leisure time for casual discussion!
As I've mentioned, I have worked in education for many years - and I too have NEVER heard of this stuff being taught. But what do we know? We're just the ones working with your children, and obviously random people in the middle of nowhere must be more informed.
Even if it was being taught, I see no problem with that, as long as the information is presented in the right way (educational and focused on being safe). What's the harm in teaching about things that can hurt them? Like another poster said, I'd rather have the school teach my kids about something, rather than the punk kid in his/her school! There is a limit to how much we need to tell, and things I've never even heard of are probably unnecessary - but anal and oral should absolutely be covered in sex ed, considering those are supposedly more popular than "regular sex" with teens these days. And do you know why? Because some of them are so ill-informed, they believe it's safer & doesn't count as sex.
It doesn't matter where your kids learn this stuff. No offense to parents here who think they are doing a good shielding their children from it all, but you're not. I learned about a lot of this stuff when I was in fourth grade, or TEN. Looked at porn at my friends house who had the internet when I was in fifth grade, or ELEVEN. I expect my kids to explore this stuff as well. No matter how many blocks you put on your computer, they will still see the stuff unless you prevent them from having any sort of social life and going over to friends houses.
Tough, it happens. I'm not some liberal brainwashed idiot or nothing, I'm fairly conservative, but sex is something that has always been very open in our society and it is impossible to prevent discussion of it. I knew what gay, oral, and anal was about the same time as 11. Better they learn what it all is and how to protect themselves from babies and STD's then let them stay ignorant until some boy or girl exposes them to sex and they have a baby, or an STD.
Amen! If I tell my kids about something, and they feel the need to run right out and try it (doubtful), at least they'll know how to do it safely. Better to hear it from me or the school, then to fall for some corny & inaccurate "advice" from a fellow teen!
FYI, when I was 15 years old and still a virgin, my mother offered to take me to her doctor for birth control... she also explained why it was important, and said she was there if I wanted to talk to her about sex. I got very embarrassed, said "no thanks" and promptly left the room - and did NOT have sex until a (slightly) later age. But guess what? When I was ready for that adult decision, I also made the mature decision to protect myself, and have done so ever since. Exactly 31 years old now (as of today! ), and still haven't run into an unplanned pregnancy or STD. Bottom line, education WORKS! Sure, not all kids will take the advice, but if it saves just a few from having a bad outcome, that is enough proof for me.
Inever said it was. I said it was adult material for adults. By supplying such materials to children is no less wrong than giving them pornograghy. The point being no one had the right to give such material to children especially without parental consent. Then to use the ever popular lame excuse oops we made a mistake?????? This should never be tolerated... Parents should decide when their child is ready for such materials parents should decide whats appropriate. Not some politician, or civil servant.
Sorry, but there's a HUGE difference between porn and sexual education... the latter teaches them how to safely engage in "adult activities," whereas the former is simply a display of what can be done.
Sorry, but there's a HUGE difference between porn and sexual education... the latter teaches them how to safely engage in "adult activities," whereas the former is simply a display of what can be done.
How to put this. I hear what you are saying. And I agree if the one being educated is mature enough then it is education. Many in early teens are not. My son wasn't.
Another way to look at it so that perhaps you understand what I am trying to say.
I have taken various forms of Karate since I was 18. I am 44 now.Some say I am quite skilled. At what level should I spar a person I don't know? To me these pamphlets are advanced for a child or a novice. It would be like me going at a novice as though they were a brown or black belt. Would it be educational? Hmmm only in the sense they would gain a new understanding of pain and humiliation. It would be better if their own instructor or if I had first consulted with their instructor first.
Bottom line is they had no right to hand out advanced "educational" materials without parental consent. Hell they even admit that it was a mistake. If they are admiting that it was wrong then the educational value is at best questionable. The damage is done and someone needs to answer for it.
Who gives a crap, they are going to learn it someday. Must have been a slow news day.
Maybe if the people in this country got the sticks out of their behinds we would all be less stressed out and maybe that would lead to less violence and hatred.
Thank goodness someone else gets it! People, please! While folks are dying in Iraq, this is a non-f***ing issue!
Children as young as 10-years-old in Westchester were among those mistakenly given graphic sex education material meant for adults
What sex education do adults need, exactly?
Maybe in the guilt-riddled Bible Belt adults actually still need to find out what fits into what, but in the rest of the country we DO want to educate our kids for when the time comes.
Maybe in the guilt-riddled Bible Belt adults actually still need to find out what fits into what, but in the rest of the country we DO want to educate our kids for when the time comes.
That was awesome, LOL!!! I have been with this thread for a while and hadn't actually stopped to think about why they even had sex-ed pamphlets for adults
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), and still haven't run into an unplanned pregnancy or STD. Bottom line, education WORKS! Sure, not all kids will take the advice, but if it saves just a few from having a bad outcome, that is enough proof for me.
