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Old 06-03-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Seeker5in1 View Post
I will refuse to do anything in my workplace that is disobedience to God.
So what are you thoughts about this business refusing to make wedding cakes for gay people due to it being a violation of their Christian vaules, but their perfect willingness to make cakes for divorce celebrations, out of wedlock baby showers, Pagan solstice festivals, and a parties that celebrate receiving grants to clone human fetal stem cells?

 
Old 06-03-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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The law violated the natural right of the baker to do business with whomever he chooses.

It's a bad law and should be thrown out, unless you agree with violating rights of people because the happen to own property??

This has nothing to do with ownership of property. And natural rights don't exist. They are an artifact of society, and they are what society says they are. In this instance, the right you claim exists, the right of a business owner to discriminate against potential customers on the basis of sexual orientation, simply does not exist. You might wish it exists, Ayn Rand might tell you it exists, you may be very upset that it doesn't exist, but this right you claim is being violated? It doesn't exist.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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LOL. This whole thread has been an epic fail for OhioRules.

OhioRules: So what if they discriminated? That's their right! It's their right to discriminate! You're supporting the government from stopping their discrimination and you're a facist sheeple!

Everyone else: No it isn't their right. What they did is illegal under their state laws.

OhioRules: Let me repeat my previous statement about 10 times for effect. Also, none of you can show me where rights were violated.

Everyone else: Here's the state law that they violated, which has basis in this federal law which was upheld in proxy by the Supreme Court.

OhioRules: I don't like that law, or lawyers, or judges...so it doesn't count. NONE OF YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED!!

Everyone else: (shaking heads in unison) You're annoying and not very smart. Go play and leave this to the adults.

OhioRules: SHEEPLE!!!!!
 
Old 06-04-2013, 01:35 AM
 
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The baker violated the law.
Man's fallible law maybe, but not God's infallible, immutable law.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 01:36 AM
 
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So what are you thoughts about this business refusing to make wedding cakes for gay people due to it being a violation of their Christian vaules, but their perfect willingness to make cakes for divorce celebrations, out of wedlock baby showers, Pagan solstice festivals, and a parties that celebrate receiving grants to clone human fetal stem cells?
Does this baker do such things? BTW, Jesus did not condemn divorce if it was for unfaithfullness.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Boise
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abomination??? I would think the real abomination is using your economic position to advance discrimination especially when you are a business claiming to be open to the public.. if you want to pick and choose what type of people get to come to your establishment, then you need to apply for private organization licensing....
refusing someone because they are unruly or rude or destructive to your business is one thing which you should have and do have every right to dictate... but to say I don't serve "those people" is not a very good business model.. it's un-american...and pretty disgusting really..

The jesus crowd is really not winning any friends these days.. it's bad enough sunday school and church are boring as and on the tip of bat-sh*t crazy.. now they're members are out showing us just how christ-like they really are... all the more reason to dump religion like a bad habit.. it's destructive
 
Old 06-04-2013, 03:18 AM
 
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The jesus crowd is really not winning any friends these days.. it's bad enough sunday school and church are boring as and on the tip of bat-sh*t crazy.. now they're members are out showing us just how christ-like they really are... all the more reason to dump religion like a bad habit.. it's destructive
We will all be judged by God. Complain to Him.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 03:26 AM
 
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God does not consider being of any color a sin. Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. What man says and what God's law says are not always the same. These evil godless days they are not even often the same.
Apparently your "God" DID think so at one time. At least according to all the Christian slave owners who used the 'sin of Ham' as an excuse to enslave black people.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 03:48 AM
 
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It's still his business, not the publics. It's still private property, no matter how the state tries to redefine it.

Where exactly does it say in the Constitution that the state can determine who a person can allow and not allow on private property?

Fact is, the person refused service was not injured in this case. The baker owns the bakery. What gives the would-be customer the right to force the baker to do something he does not want to do?

Isn't the customer discriminating against everyone else that sells cake by showing up at this bakery? Why is the customer allowed to refuse his business to other bakeries but the baker is not afforded the same opportunity?
*sigh*.

You could have done a quick google search to inform yourself instead of continuing to post uniformed nonsense that makes you look like a fool. Perhaps you could ask yourself why you didn't?
 
Old 06-04-2013, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Seeker5in1 View Post
Man's fallible law maybe, but not God's infallible, immutable law.
Yeah, well, your god is not real, and certainly does not make the laws in this country. If you want to live in a theocracy there are plenty of lovely places to choose from.
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