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Originally Posted by Old Army Soldier
What is the problem with the Confederate flag? Slavery was brought to North American by the British. Then became part of the U.S. upon Independence under the U.S flag. Slavery was under the U.S. flag through the Civil War to include under the Emancipation Proc where States in rebellion were denied the right to have slaves while other States that supported the Union were allowed to have slavery. Under one of President Lincoln's plans to buy out the plantation owners slaves Slavery would have lasted until 1900 by some estimates. After the Civil War some former slaves were "forced" to work for former owners for $10 later for $7 per month. Union troops rode guard over the former slaves to keep them working on plantations. Jim Crow laws were under U.S. flag, even today any pay gap, education gap, jobs denied are all under the U.S. flag. So, I ask again, What is the problem with the Confederate flag when all started and continued under the U.S. flag???
So did the internment of Japanese-American citizens, I guess you're fine with that too, eh?
I love that the state of Mississippi is the only state that still has the stars and bars a part of their state flag still. Allowed their people to vote on it and it stayed.
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This flag served the State for 107 years when, in 2001, Governor David Ronald (Ronnie) Musgrove signed House Bill No. 524 on January 12, 2001.
AN ACT TO PROVIDE FOR A STATEWIDE SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SELECTING THE OFFICIAL FLAG OF THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI; TO SET THE DATE OF APRIL 17, 2001, FOR THE STATEWIDE SPECIAL ELECTION; TO ALLOW THE ELECTORATE TO VOTE FOR ONE OF TWO FLAG DESIGNS; TO SPECIFY THAT ONE OF THE DESIGNS SHALL BE THE 1894 FLAG DESIGN AND THAT THE OTHER SHALL BE A PROPOSED NEW DESIGN;
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The new State flag design was similar to the 1894 design except that the canton corner color was changed from red to blue and the representation of the Confederate Battle Flag was replaced with 19 small white stars surrounding one large white star. The 19 small stars represented the number of states that were already part of the Union when Mississippi joined in 1817. The large white five-pointed star in the center represented the State of Mississippi.
When all the votes were counted the message was clear. The 107 year old Mississippi State Flag would continue to fly over the State. The vote, nearly 2-1, sent a clear message that most Mississippians valued the historic symbolism of the 1894 flag.
2 to 1? Mississippi is 37% black. There'd have to be some percentage of blacks voting to keep the flag as well. Interesting.
We have a US flag with fifty stars on it. That flag flew for the first time in 1960 - well after the Civil War, Reconstruction, etc.
Our US history has it's shining moral successes, and it's shames. One inescapable, and inexcusable, stain on our nation's history is the institution of slavery. The Confederates fought for states' rights, and they fought to protect their own homes and livelihoods - and they also fought to retain a system of slavery and oppression for people of color. Much of their economic livelihood as a region relied on this system.
That's not saying that everything the US flag has stood for is noble - I can think of episodes of genocide against native Americans. Child labor in wretched factories and coal mines in the Northeast. Women not being allowed to vote. Ridiculous Prohibition. Wars and military actions that weren't in our best interests as a nation.
But the Stars and Stripes do represent the UNITY of our nation - all fifty states. Our mutual goodwill toward each other in spite of differences and flaws. The Confederate flag does not represent this, though it may well represent many honorable ideals to some Americans. It also represents slavery to many Americans - whether it does to you or not.
Don't get me wrong - as a white southerner, I see the Confederate flag and immediately think of home, and iced tea, and big porches, and friendly faces of every color and hue, and chicken and dumplings and church dinners and long lazy summer afternoons and fireflies in the moonlight and the music of the cicadas in the moss covered trees. I don't think of slavery.
But other American southerners do. And we have to live together.
Excellent post, although as a Tn resident for 15 years, I cannot find anything redeeming about cicadas.
This flag served the State for 107 years when, in 2001, Governor David Ronald (Ronnie) Musgrove signed House Bill No. 524 on January 12, 2001.
AN ACT TO PROVIDE FOR A STATEWIDE SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SELECTING THE OFFICIAL FLAG OF THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI; TO SET THE DATE OF APRIL 17, 2001, FOR THE STATEWIDE SPECIAL ELECTION; TO ALLOW THE ELECTORATE TO VOTE FOR ONE OF TWO FLAG DESIGNS; TO SPECIFY THAT ONE OF THE DESIGNS SHALL BE THE 1894 FLAG DESIGN AND THAT THE OTHER SHALL BE A PROPOSED NEW DESIGN;
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The new State flag design was similar to the 1894 design except that the canton corner color was changed from red to blue and the representation of the Confederate Battle Flag was replaced with 19 small white stars surrounding one large white star. The 19 small stars represented the number of states that were already part of the Union when Mississippi joined in 1817. The large white five-pointed star in the center represented the State of Mississippi.
When all the votes were counted the message was clear. The 107 year old Mississippi State Flag would continue to fly over the State. The vote, nearly 2-1, sent a clear message that most Mississippians valued the historic symbolism of the 1894 flag.
2 to 1? Mississippi is 37% black. There'd have to be some percentage of blacks voting to keep the flag as well. Interesting.
I remember that day very well. Along the same time the carpetbagging pos governor we had in Ga ripped our flag down and replaced it with the ugliest flag I had ever seen. We kicked him out and elected a governor that promised to let us vote on it and lied.
I remember that day very well. Along the same time the carpetbagging pos governor we had in Ga ripped our flag down and replaced it with the ugliest flag I had ever seen. We kicked him out and elected a governor that promised to let us vote on it and lied.
The biggest problem with this country is out politicians. We joke about them not keeping a promise, but it's gone way beyond a joking matter.
Take Obama for example; How can 48% of the population hold this man in such great esteem, while admitting he lies, a lot! Our priorities have been spun, and our expectations in the people who are leading us have never been so low.
Politicians in congress seem to think a 12% approval rating is good. Obama has a 32% approval rating on the economy, yet a 46% (was 54%) approval rating overall because "he's likeable"... WTF? Imagin throwing a party for your child who comes home with straight D's on his/her report card. Welcome to American politics - Straight D's, let's throw a party.
I love that the state of Mississippi is the only state that still has the stars and bars a part of their state flag still. Allowed their people to vote on it and it stayed.
First National is the Stars n Bars muchacho. This is the 14 star Victoria Cross Battle Flag. Key word...Battle. This flag, now ubiquitous with racist groups, who soil it, was not flown as a National or Headquarters flag. The Crimson, symbolized blood, and was unfurled for battle.
Though I feel stongly about this flags history, those who know NOTHING of what it REALLY meant have hijacked it, and turned it into a provocative symbol. I own one. I fly it, on occasion.
I detest this debate, over this flag. As a much younger man, I took on a group of skinheads at a concert, flying a Battle Flag crossed with the nazi headquarters flag. I still have that flag. And turned off my date, but oh well.
I am sickened by what many equate the Battle Flag with. This IS our history. Yes, the Confederacy lost the war. But to all of you who cheapen the sacrifice of Confederate soldiers by defiling the Colors...on both sides of this debate, get a life.
I have always loved the look of the Confederate Battle Flag. It's grand looking and it makes southerners feel proud of their heritage. Unfortunately the flag was taken down but I think it should have remained for historical purposes. There is nothing wrong with that flag.
An act of Treason by people who are telling an untruth when the Pledge Allegience to an INDIVISBLE United States. Secessionist are Traitors and Armed Secessionist are Enemy Combatants
The states were and still are SOVEREIGN. They can do as they please.
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