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I see lots of liberals here on CD making the claim over and over again that the legal gun owners or "gun nuts" like myself are paranoid because we are preparing or expecting some sort of government gun confiscation. You claim that we are crazy and that the government doesn't want our guns, that gun confiscation would/could never happen and it it's not a goal of the anti-gun crowds.
Without instantly going off topic or trying to change the subject can you explain or justify the government doing exactly what you say can't and won't ever happen following hurricane Katrina in New Orleans?
There are literally thousands of Americans who had the government come into their home by force and steal their legally owned firearms. These are American citizens who were doing nothing wrong, they weren't breaking any laws and they certainly had a reason to have a firearm for self defense given the events that took place in New Orleans. Many of these people never saw their weapons again. Of course weeks, months and years later people brought these actions to court and of course the police were found to be in the wrong BUT that doesn't change the fact that it took place and it was done because an order was given to disarm the citizens of a large US city.
How can you honestly tell any of us legal gun owners that nobody wants to take our firearms when we have undeniable proof of that exact thing happening here in the United States just a few short years ago?
Well, THAT was DIFFERENT!
THAT was an EMERGENCY!
THAT was NECESSARY for safety!
Now that the excuses are out of the way, please explain why many (if not MOST) of the confiscated guns were never returned, and what happened to those guns that were not returned!
Well, THAT was DIFFERENT!
THAT was an EMERGENCY!
THAT was NECESSARY for safety!
Now that the excuses are out of the way, please explain why many (if not MOST) of the confiscated guns were never returned, and what happened to those guns that were not returned!
Many of the guns that were stolen from citizens were destroyed on site by officers. I saw 2 different incidents of federal officers taking and destroying firearms from New Orleans citizens in public view. There are still pending court cases surrounding people wanting their firearms back.
I remember the Democratic Governor (can't member her name) said that they were sending in the National Guard and they were locked and loaded so people better stop looting. They had just got back from Iraq and knew what urban warfare was like.
No one made a peep.
I thought that was pleasant. Democrats threatening to execute people for minor theft without charging them or giving them a trial.
Fortunately, the NG didn't carry out the liberal Democrats plan to shoot hungry black folk in the streets for no reason other than they were black.
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I see lots of liberals here on CD making the claim over and over again that the legal gun owners or "gun nuts" like myself are paranoid because we are preparing or expecting some sort of government gun confiscation. You claim that we are crazy and that the government doesn't want our guns, that gun confiscation would/could never happen and it it's not a goal of the anti-gun crowds.
Without instantly going off topic or trying to change the subject can you explain or justify the government doing exactly what you say can't and won't ever happen following hurricane Katrina in New Orleans?
You should have had a problem with this 8 years ago and Demanded President bush ( a Republican) do something about it instead of letting it go on under his watch.
now, lets also remember that this is one situation, not an epidemic. Lets also remember we dont know how true any of these stories are.
And please dont use the grandma story as your only proof, she pulled a gun on police officers.
You should have had a problem with this 8 years ago and Demanded President bush ( a Republican) do something about it instead of letting it go on under his watch.
now, lets also remember that this is one situation, not an epidemic. Lets also remember we dont know how true any of these stories are.
And please dont use the grandma story as your only proof, she pulled a gun on police officers.
Your level of ignorance is truly astounding, please just go away unless you intend to actually read and watch the information I posted.
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I remember the Democratic Governor (can't member her name) said that they were sending in the National Guard and they were locked and loaded so people better stop looting. They had just got back from Iraq and knew what urban warfare was like.
No one made a peep.
I thought that was pleasant. Democrats threatening to execute people for minor theft without charging them or giving them a trial.
Fortunately, the NG didn't carry out the liberal Democrats plan to shoot hungry black folk in the streets for no reason other than they were black.
Where is the proof that she even said that ???
minor theft ?? are there 2 people posting under your name or do you jsut not remember your previous gun protection arguments ???
and LOL at that last line, You cant be that stupid, you just cant.
You should have had a problem with this 8 years ago and Demanded President bush ( a Republican) do something about it instead of letting it go on under his watch.
now, lets also remember that this is one situation, not an epidemic.
Presumably, the OP did have a problem with it or they wouldn't have brought it up.
So it's okay for the govt to illegally steal your property as long as it's a one time thing? lols.
So you'd be okay with the feds taking your car and house as long as it's a one time thing and not an epidemic.
It would be nice for once if i could see a thread without someone mentioning President Bush. he aint been in office for over 5 years. Amazing how much power he still has. I hear people say Pres. Obama has no leadership qualities. Must be true. His sheep only wanna talk about Pres. Bush. Its like they are obsessed with him.
Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[81][82]
Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[81]
After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[81] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[83]
Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[84] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[85]
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