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Old 02-27-2013, 12:15 PM
Status: "everybody getting reported now.." (set 27 days ago)
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
why is it paying their fair share taxing one group more than the other
what world do you live in ?

Mitt Romney paid an overall tax rate of 15%

i paid 22% with no refund.(maybe i need a new tax person LOL)

even though the top tax rate is 39.5% that is only on a small percentage of of income.

it is misleading to say rich people paid a higher percentage of their income to taxes.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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LOL commisioned by Jeff Sessions.
And researched and reported on by the non-partisan CRS. No one has disputed or disproven the CRS means-tested welfare spending findings. No one has found incorrect data in the report.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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More hyperbole. Denial is not a river in Egypt you know. No indeed I do get it. The truth hurts.
conservatives always believe they are the possessors of TRUTH. LOL

Instead you possess your imaginary beliefs about the lives of fictional people and complete strangers, which is fine for you, but there is nothing to discuss for me in your fictional hateful beliefs that you direct at complete strangers.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:20 PM
 
Location: North America
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I've always liked the fair tax better. No deductions, no tax forms.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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what they should do is one flat tax across the board for everyone, including illegals....it is high time they to start paying their fair share....

but one flat tax for everyone, and a government that knows what they are doing, and how to financially stop pork barrel spending....
a flat consumption tax .... like the fairtax.... FairTax Video - Americans For Fair Taxation


why...becuase a good portion of INCOME is never reported

you cant tax an income that is never reported by people (legal or illegal) working OFF THE BOOKS
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:23 PM
 
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And researched and reported on by the non-partisan CRS. No one has disputed or disproven the CRS means-tested welfare spending findings. No one has found incorrect data in the report.
Man you are dense. Here is reality.

The con is pretty easy to see when you read the actual CRS report. Senate Republicans are counting 83 separate (and wildly different) programs as "welfare" in order to make the case that the government is spending more on poor people than old people. The majority of this money is Medicaid and CHIP, which are healthcare spending, which is increasing for the same reason that Medicare spending is increasing, which is that healthcare costs are increasing. (And Medicaid is much less generous than Medicare, because it is a program for poor people, not old people.)

But so many other things now also count as welfare, including Pell Grants, public works spending, Head Start, child support enforcement, the Child Tax Credit, Foster Care assistance, housing for old people, and much more. They're also counting the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is, traditionally, the form of "welfare" that conservative Republicans actually support. Basically, all social spending (though specifically not spending on rich old people or on healthcare for veterans with service-related disabilities, which Republicans requested be excluded from the CRS report) now counts as "welfare.

conservatives are liars.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:23 PM
 
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what world do you live in ?

Mitt Romney paid an overall tax rate of 15%

i paid 22% with no refund.(maybe i need a new tax person LOL)

even though the top tax rate is 39.5% that is only on a small percentage of of income.

it is misleading to say rich people paid a higher percentage of their income to taxes.
No, you need to earn money through capital gains to get that rate.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by dsjj251 View Post
what world do you live in ?

Mitt Romney paid an overall tax rate of 15%

i paid 22% with no refund.(maybe i need a new tax person LOL)

even though the top tax rate is 39.5% that is only on a small percentage of of income.

it is misleading to say rich people paid a higher percentage of their income to taxes.
They pay a higher percentage of income tax then anyone else.
Capital gains tax is a lower rate to spur investing. People investing money create jobs for others.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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conservatives always believe they are the possessors of TRUTH. LOL

Instead you possess your imaginary beliefs about the lives of fictional people and complete strangers, which is fine for you, but there is nothing to discuss for me in your fictional hateful beliefs that you direct at complete strangers.

Except these people are not fictional people. This is indeed happening in our country. But, hey, you're OK with women having multiple children with multiple fathers, and expecting everyone else to foot the bill, without having to give back, or take some sort of responsibility for their actions. I'm not.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:29 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
Man you are dense. Here is reality.

The con is pretty easy to see when you read the actual CRS report. Senate Republicans are counting 83 separate (and wildly different) programs as "welfare" in order to make the case that the government is spending more on poor people than old people. The majority of this money is Medicaid and CHIP, which are healthcare spending, which is increasing for the same reason that Medicare spending is increasing, which is that healthcare costs are increasing. (And Medicaid is much less generous than Medicare, because it is a program for poor people, not old people.)
How is that not means-tested (requires no/low-income to qualify) welfare spending?

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But so many other things now also count as welfare, including Pell Grants, public works spending, Head Start, child support enforcement, the Child Tax Credit, Foster Care assistance, housing for old people, and much more. They're also counting the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is, traditionally, the form of "welfare" that conservative Republicans actually support. Basically, all social spending (though specifically not spending on rich old people or on healthcare for veterans with service-related disabilities, which Republicans requested be excluded from the CRS report) now counts as "welfare.
No, the report clearly only examines means-tested (requires no/low-income to qualify) welfare spending.
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