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Stupid men who don't get it. Or maybe they just don't want to.
I tried to explain this concept on another thread, but no one will listen. They'd rather blame the women, arm us with as many weapons as possible to help grow gun manufacturer profits, and make fun of us. And we're supposed to listen to YOU telling US what to do ... yeah.
This is a growing, legitimate movement in women's circles. The fact that men on this site refuse to understand is one of the reasons we have to talk about it. Most of you are the problem, as it happens: Making it all about the victim, instead of focusing on the effin' perpetrators -- MANY OF WHOM ARE STILL TEENAGERS, COLLEGE STUDENTS, and EVERYDAY PEOPLE -- not lifelong criminals.
So tell me, how many of YOU guys carry guns around when hanging with friends, just in case one of them decides to assault you? Hm? You really think guns are the answer? Hell no, the answer is to teach men not to rape their damn FRIENDS.
All that crap on the previous thread about "you can't teach a criminal not to commit a crime" is crap. Unless you think all these women are busy dating and hanging around hardened criminals, we STILL have a problem with men thinking sexual assault is just find and dandy.
And the misogynistic attacks that that intelligent black woman received for expressing a sensible concept pretty much says it all about you guys. Shameful.
Here's more of on it, since the OP is ignoring the details in order to get in a dig at liberals.
Maxwell’s comments got lots of attention and caused a ripple effect on weekend social media. Implicit in them was that the problem isn’t just individual behaviors, but a culture of patriarchy. This morning, she followed them up with a piece at EBONY.com on five ways we can teach men not to rape. “Rape culture is a pervasive part of our society because of social conditioning,” Maxwell wrote. “Yet we struggle to find ways to avoid patterns of victim blaming and many of us would rather advise women on the precautions they should take to avoid being raped as opposed to starting at the root of the problem: teaching men and boys not to be rapists in the first place.”
Here’s a snippet of the five points that Maxwell makes.
1. Teach young men about legal consent: Legal consent is number one for a reason. Without it, sexual contact with someone is rape whether you intended to rape or not. A woman who is drunk, unconscious, sleeping cannot give legal consent. And it’s not about a woman simply saying “no,” it’s really about making certain she’s saying yes.
2. Teach young men to see women’s humanity, instead of seeing them as sexual objects there for male pleasure: There is a reason why women are shamed into silence and teenage boys in Steubenville, Ohio are caught on camera laughing about gang raping an unconscious girl at a party. The dehumanization of women spans all areas of American life.
3. Teach young men how to express healthy masculinity: The question that’s being asked about what women can do to prevent violence against them is the wrong question. It’s not what can a woman say or do that can prevent being attacked. We need to turn that paradigm
4. Teach young men to believe women who come forward and not to blame the victim: The vast majority of women do not report their rapes to the police and many more only tell one or two people in confidence.
5. Teach young men about bystander intervention: Both Men Stopping Violence and Men Can Stop Rape have bystander intervention workshops for men of all ages. “It’s about community accountability,” says Pandit, “We require men to talk to other men in their lives and tell them about these programs. It is important that we have community networks that hold men accountable.”
Stupid men who don't get it. Or maybe they just don't want to.
I tried to explain this concept on another thread, but no one will listen. They'd rather blame the women, arm us with as many weapons as possible to help grow gun manufacturer profits, and make fun of us. And we're supposed to listen to YOU telling US what to do ... yeah.
Nobody will listen because you are selling propaganda, not truth.
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This is a growing, legitimate movement in women's circles. The fact that men on this site refuse to understand is one of the reasons we have to talk about it. Most of you are the problem, as it happens: Making it all about the victim, instead of focusing on the effin' perpetrators -- MANY OF WHOM ARE STILL TEENAGERS, COLLEGE STUDENTS, and EVERYDAY PEOPLE -- not lifelong criminals.
How many rapists know their victims is irrelevant to the absurd "blame the victim" claims. If you say a woman had it coming because of how she was dressed, then you are blaming the victim. If you say advising people not to walk down a dark alley in the middle of the night is blaming the victim, then you are simply endangering real people in service of promoting an agenda. When you take don't blame the victim philosophy so far that you aren't educating potential victims to avoid known risk factors, then you are going too far.
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So tell me, how many of YOU guys carry guns around when hanging with friends, just in case one of them decides to assault you? Hm? You really think guns are the answer? Hell no, the answer is to teach men not to rape their damn FRIENDS.
There is no need to teach people that. This is where your propaganda comes in. Men are not inherently rapists but your philosophy assumes they are. We do not teach people not to commit robbery, credit card fraud, murder, home invasions, etc. People already know not to break the law. It isn't "teach rapists not to rape" it is "teach men not to rape" which presumes that all men are rapists by nature who need to be taught not to do it. It is insulting and sexist. If there was a campaign "teach women not to be golddiggers" you'd be the first one screaming about it.
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All that crap on the previous thread about "you can't teach a criminal not to commit a crime" is crap. Unless you think all these women are busy dating and hanging around hardened criminals, we STILL have a problem with men thinking sexual assault is just find and dandy.
No, we don't. We have people who think that if they can rape a woman without it being an actual violent assault that they can get away with it. It's still against the law. There is no epidemic of men saying "yeah I did it but I didn't know it was wrong". They know it's wrong and do it anyway. We have people who will drive through a red light on a deserted street. They don't need to be taught that a red light means stop. If there was traffic they would have stopped. They do it knowing it is wrong because they don't think they will suffer any consequences for it.
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And the misogynistic attacks that that intelligent black woman received for expressing a sensible concept pretty much says it all about you guys. Shameful.
And here you betray your bias by calling the attacks misogynistic. If a man made the same comment, it would receive the same attacks. It's the stupidity of the comment that is being attacked, not the person making it. But like most feminists, you interpret anything done against someone who is female as misogynistic. They did not attack her for being a woman. They attacked her for the words she said.
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Here's more of on it, since the OP is ignoring the details in order to get in a dig at liberals.
Well, if he's trying to get a dig in at liberals then he is being anti-liberal, now isn't he? Not misogynistic. Of course he wasn't ignoring details to get a dig in at liberals in the first place. It's not his fault that the people who say these stupid things are almost invariably liberal.
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Maxwell’s comments got lots of attention and caused a ripple effect on weekend social media. Implicit in them was that the problem isn’t just individual behaviors, but a culture of patriarchy. This morning, she followed them up with a piece at EBONY.com on five ways we can teach men not to rape. “Rape culture is a pervasive part of our society because of social conditioning,” Maxwell wrote. “Yet we struggle to find ways to avoid patterns of victim blaming and many of us would rather advise women on the precautions they should take to avoid being raped as opposed to starting at the root of the problem: teaching men and boys not to be rapists in the first place.”
This comment merely reinforces the propaganda point. Nobody talks about "patriarchy" and "rape culture" except radical feminists.
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Here’s a snippet of the five points that Maxwell makes.
1. Teach young men about legal consent: Legal consent is number one for a reason. Without it, sexual contact with someone is rape whether you intended to rape or not. A woman who is drunk, unconscious, sleeping cannot give legal consent. And it’s not about a woman simply saying “no,” it’s really about making certain she’s saying yes.
That should be taught to young women too. It's interesting how if a drunk man and a drunk woman have sex, feminists say the drunk man is a rapist. And if a drunk man and a sober woman have sex, the woman is never called a rapist. It's sexism. But since it is sexism against men, it's accepted.
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2. Teach young men to see women’s humanity, instead of seeing them as sexual objects there for male pleasure: There is a reason why women are shamed into silence and teenage boys in Steubenville, Ohio are caught on camera laughing about gang raping an unconscious girl at a party. The dehumanization of women spans all areas of American life.
And the way tragedies and crimes are reported as affecting "women and children", the way husbands are often shown in commercials and tv shows as being incompetent idiots, the way girl power is encouraged but boy power is frowned on, the way men are expected to sign up for selective service but women aren't, the way a woman has to be present in the room if a woman is being medically examined, the way women work in work in men's departments at stores but men do not work in women's department, etc all go to show that men are dehumanized in society just as much as women.
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3. Teach young men how to express healthy masculinity: The question that’s being asked about what women can do to prevent violence against them is the wrong question. It’s not what can a woman say or do that can prevent being attacked. We need to turn that paradigm
We don't need to turn that paradigm around. That is the paradigm used in every other aspect of life. People are taught to avoid risk factors for every other crime. But when it comes to a crime that mostly men commit on mostly women, feminists seize on that crime and only that crime to make a national issue of it. It is transparently about politics and not about real safety.
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4. Teach young men to believe women who come forward and not to blame the victim: The vast majority of women do not report their rapes to the police and many more only tell one or two people in confidence.
We don't need to teach men to believe women. We need to teach everybody to believe the truth. Women should not have some special treatment where they are automatically believed.
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5. Teach young men about bystander intervention: Both Men Stopping Violence and Men Can Stop Rape have bystander intervention workshops for men of all ages. “It’s about community accountability,” says Pandit, “We require men to talk to other men in their lives and tell them about these programs. It is important that we have community networks that hold men accountable.”[/color]
Why make them especially accountable for stopping rape? Why no special programs about this to stop robberies? And why only teach men about bystander intervention? Why do women not have an equal responsibility to step in? Again, transparent bias.
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Wake up, sexists. Statistics prove that YOU are the problem.
She says its not the woman's place to defend herself, or to watch what she wears or where she goes, its the rapist who needs to be educated on not to rape. LMAO this idiot has to be one of the dumbest liberals I have ever watched. Really? So all we need to do is educate people not to rob banks and rape and steal. Who would have thought it was so easy. Stupid liberal.
In a lengthy post, above, there are some interesting philosophical views. Teach young men how to "express healthy masculinity"? Yea...But how do you define that? Also, if a man is disposed to rape, I really don't think he cares about right or wrong, or the damge he does to his victims. The single best way for a woman to deal with a rapist is violent and deadly defense. Kill the bastard! He knows, full well, the heinous nature of his attack. Sorry, not gonna buy pleading ignorance in rape cases. Please!
Someone very dear to me was attacked once. She didn't kill him, but she made him wish she had. I have no sympathy for a rapist, of any stripe, Educating them? Best education for a rapist is to be stopped, cold, and either killed, outright, or maimed beyond repair. End of story.
And people are disposed to murder?
Rape is a capital crime.
Let's start jailing rapists and quit blaming the victim.
Good to know that you think men should be given a break.
After all, they're disposed to rape.
Feh.
Most rapes are about power not the sex. A gun in the hand of the woman being raped certainly changes the power quotient
Right.
Friends and acquaintances account for more than 1/3 of all rapes. How many women do you know who carry when they're just having fun, hanging with friends, going to the movies, etc. etc.
Or maybe you pack heat when you're watching the big game with your friends in case they attack you. That must be why you think a gun is always the answer.
Really, this whole discussion is just another opportunity for gun fetishists to fantasize about blowing someone away, when in fact, evil bad guys aren't even committing a lot of these rapes. They're your neighbors. College boys. High school athletes. Frat boys. Colleagues.
Nobody will listen because you are selling propaganda, not truth.
Growing, maybe. Legitimate? No.
How many rapists know their victims is irrelevant to the absurd "blame the victim" claims. If you say a woman had it coming because of how she was dressed, then you are blaming the victim. If you say advising people not to walk down a dark alley in the middle of the night is blaming the victim, then you are simply endangering real people in service of promoting an agenda. When you take don't blame the victim philosophy so far that you aren't educating potential victims to avoid known risk factors, then you are going too far.
There is no need to teach people that. This is where your propaganda comes in. Men are not inherently rapists but your philosophy assumes they are. We do not teach people not to commit robbery, credit card fraud, murder, home invasions, etc. People already know not to break the law. It isn't "teach rapists not to rape" it is "teach men not to rape" which presumes that all men are rapists by nature who need to be taught not to do it. It is insulting and sexist. If there was a campaign "teach women not to be golddiggers" you'd be the first one screaming about it.
No, we don't. We have people who think that if they can rape a woman without it being an actual violent assault that they can get away with it. It's still against the law. There is no epidemic of men saying "yeah I did it but I didn't know it was wrong". They know it's wrong and do it anyway. We have people who will drive through a red light on a deserted street. They don't need to be taught that a red light means stop. If there was traffic they would have stopped. They do it knowing it is wrong because they don't think they will suffer any consequences for it.
And here you betray your bias by calling the attacks misogynistic. If a man made the same comment, it would receive the same attacks. It's the stupidity of the comment that is being attacked, not the person making it. But like most feminists, you interpret anything done against someone who is female as misogynistic. They did not attack her for being a woman. They attacked her for the words she said.
Well, if he's trying to get a dig in at liberals then he is being anti-liberal, now isn't he? Not misogynistic. Of course he wasn't ignoring details to get a dig in at liberals in the first place. It's not his fault that the people who say these stupid things are almost invariably liberal.
This comment merely reinforces the propaganda point. Nobody talks about "patriarchy" and "rape culture" except radical feminists.
That should be taught to young women too. It's interesting how if a drunk man and a drunk woman have sex, feminists say the drunk man is a rapist. And if a drunk man and a sober woman have sex, the woman is never called a rapist. It's sexism. But since it is sexism against men, it's accepted.
And the way tragedies and crimes are reported as affecting "women and children", the way husbands are often shown in commercials and tv shows as being incompetent idiots, the way girl power is encouraged but boy power is frowned on, the way men are expected to sign up for selective service but women aren't, the way a woman has to be present in the room if a woman is being medically examined, the way women work in work in men's departments at stores but men do not work in women's department, etc all go to show that men are dehumanized in society just as much as women.
We don't need to turn that paradigm around. That is the paradigm used in every other aspect of life. People are taught to avoid risk factors for every other crime. But when it comes to a crime that mostly men commit on mostly women, feminists seize on that crime and only that crime to make a national issue of it. It is transparently about politics and not about real safety.
We don't need to teach men to believe women. We need to teach everybody to believe the truth. Women should not have some special treatment where they are automatically believed.
Why make them especially accountable for stopping rape? Why no special programs about this to stop robberies? And why only teach men about bystander intervention? Why do women not have an equal responsibility to step in? Again, transparent bias.
Wake up, feminist. You are a sexist.
Everything you just said ... was a complete waste of bandwidth because you are completely wrong in every way. You're so wrong, and your post so incredibly, mind-bogglingly stupid ... I'm completely baffled by the bulls***.
Well done.
Stupid, stupid post. Exactly what I've come to expect of you. Completely missed every point I was making. Because you're not even smart enough to understand the simplest concept about rape as a crime.
You got me -- I have to give up because you're hopelessly ignorant.
Oh yes, the theory that becoming a victim is somehow morally superior to defending yourself or your family.
Makes perfect sense.
Still waiting for someone to tell me how a gun comes into play when a girl is hanging out with her friends, family, neighbors ... you know, the people who commit more than 1/3 of all rapes ...
Or you could ignore that completely like KidKaos, who spent hours writing an innane post in a desperate attempt to ignore the point...
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