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Your body, your choice !!! Don't want an IUD, don't get one !!! You sound like a woman who had a bad abortion experience and wants to put your busy body nose up another woman's uterus !!!
No, you're making comments that BC is one size fits all.
It doesn't.
You said it's safe and everyone could have an IUD.
I was providing an example where it wasn't safe or effective.
You don't like the pill, so you want to offer $$ to people who get an IUD.
You want what to provide a financial incentive?
The government or yourself?
I'm sterilized, and post menopausal.
I don't care what you do.
You don't get to make choices for others.
Is anyone REALLY operating under the assumption that MEN DON'T WANT BC COVERED? You have got to be kidding me. Forget the whole BC vs VIAGRA thing...men need women to be on the pill. Absolutey. Their lives wuold suck otherwise.
That's part of the goal.
Control women and make sure their lives suck.
And they say there's no war on women.
There always was, there always will be.
No, you're making comments that BC is one size fits all.
It doesn't.
You said it's safe and everyone could have an IUD.
I was providing an example where it wasn't safe or effective.
You don't like the pill, so you want to offer $$ to people who get an IUD.
You want what to provide a financial incentive?
The government or yourself?
I'm sterilized, and post menopausal.
I don't care what you do.
You don't get to make choices for others.
You're either unable or too stubborn to understand.
I want insurance to cover All bc. If the pill fits you, we'll pay. But we know that roughly half of abortions are by women who used the pill. So if you Want to Choose a more effective method, Such As IUD or sterilization, we'll not only pay, but offer a bonus.
I never said everyone can have an IUD. Nor can everyone use the pill.
Every child delayed has the effect of decreasing the number of children a woman eventually has.
ETA: It is harder to find stats about vasectomy, since most are done in outpatient facilities such as doctor's offices, but it is known that the numbers are lower. Vasectomy is cheaper, simpler and safer. Why not a premium for men to do that?
I totally disagree with what I bolded. If that logic were correct than women who started having kids young would have more kids than women who wait. That is not true. Most women will stop at 2 or 3 no matter when they start, with the exception of those who start having children very late who may have issues getting pregnant. A woman who takes BC from the time she's 18 until she's 27 could still have half a dozen kids and couples have a tendency to sterilize one partner when they're done having kids. While BC has reduced the number of kids we have, over generations past that had no BC, it is not true that women who delay having kids today will have fewer kids than they would have if they'd had them young. In fact, I'd argue the other way. That women who delay having kids are more likely to be able to afford them which could lead to having more kids.
For the vast majority of women, you're just delaying the births of the same number of children they would have had anyway so there is no avoiding the cost of the birth.
Why do you think sterilization should be cheap? The cost of a procedure isn't determined by whether or not people want the procedure. I do think, however, that it's in the insurance company's best interest to pay for sterilization because they then avoid the possibility of having to pay for births. I would think there are options here that are cheaper than a birth.
You're either unable or too stubborn to understand.
I want insurance to cover All bc. If the pill fits you, we'll pay. But we know that roughly half of abortions are by women who used the pill. So if you Want to Choose a more effective method, Such As IUD or sterilization, we'll not only pay, but offer a bonus.
I never said everyone can have an IUD. Nor can everyone use the pill.
Why SHOULD insurance cover BC. What medical condition is being treated by BC? Why should I be required to subsidize your choice of BC with my premiums? Why should you be required to subsidize mine?
Seriously, if I'm required to subsidize your choice of BC, you should be required to subsidize my choice of diet programs and health club memberships so I can lose weight. My losing weight will decrease my cost to the system by keeping me healthy longer. I can delay costing the system by losing weight in the saem way a woman who delays child birth delays costing the system. So pony up for the monthly memberships here....
Note: this is sarcasm. I don't think anyone owes me a monthly membership to anything. I think this is my personal choice and my personal responsibility just as BC is my personal choice and my personal responsibility....but if anyone wants to buy me a country club membership, I won't turn them down...
Your argument is strange. The employer can't choose anything about the policy because you're paying half. But your half payment lets you control what the employer must provide? That doesn't make sense. Nor does claiming there's any element of discrimination involved. How does an employer's decision about an insurance plan constitute discrimination against you as an individual? Are you forced to work at that job? If you choose to accept employment with a company that somehow now requires the company to tailor its benefits package to suit you? Just go work somewhere else.
No, the law requires it, not the employer or the employee.
I totally disagree with what I bolded. If that logic were correct than women who started having kids young would have more kids than women who wait. That is not true. Most women will stop at 2 or 3 no matter when they start, with the exception of those who start having children very late who may have issues getting pregnant. A woman who takes BC from the time she's 18 until she's 27 could still have half a dozen kids and couples have a tendency to sterilize one partner when they're done having kids. While BC has reduced the number of kids we have, over generations past that had no BC, it is not true that women who delay having kids today will have fewer kids than they would have if they'd had them young. In fact, I'd argue the other way. That women who delay having kids are more likely to be able to afford them which could lead to having more kids.
For the vast majority of women, you're just delaying the births of the same number of children they would have had anyway so there is no avoiding the cost of the birth.
Why do you think sterilization should be cheap? The cost of a procedure isn't determined by whether or not people want the procedure. I do think, however, that it's in the insurance company's best interest to pay for sterilization because they then avoid the possibility of having to pay for births. I would think there are options here that are cheaper than a birth.
Many women use BCP when they are done with their families. BCP used correctly is pretty damn reliable. Have you never heard of a woman who had an unintended pregnancy? Ever?
I didn't say sterilization should be free. I said by your logic it should be.
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