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Old 03-07-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Because some are against birth control for religious reasons and those who are should not be forced to pay for BC for their employees.

Also, because BC is not a medical need. It's a personal want. Abstinence works too, as do condoms and getting snipped. This is not a medical need but a personal want. BC is needed only if people are having sex. Sex is a personal choice. While we're at it, let's have insurance companies buy condoms and pay for internet dating sites so people can find people to have sex with.

Personal issue = personal cost.
That local McDonald's--what church does it go to? The nearby Kohl's/Dillard's/Macy's/Old Navy---what church do these businesses go to? A business is a thing. It doesn't have a religion. It's not against birth control. It's a thing. No religion, no preferences. The owners of these businesses aren't being asked to pay for BC. They are being asked to provide insurance for their employees, insurance that already includes BC. And they are asking to customize that insurance for religious reasons, which the business doesn't have, because the business is a thing and doesn't have a religion.

And everytime someone advocates abstinence, then the implication is that the real desire here is control of others.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I specifically said At No Cost To The Woman, to avoid the inevitable response that Someone has to pay.

Condoms, IUD's, sterilization, every form of bc, should be free to any woman who wants them. I know that will raise premiums and 'cost' everyone in a plan.
oh I see

it should be free to any woman

a very anti man post...

the liberals war on men is noted
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Personally I have no issues with people using birth control for medical reasons. I don't trust it though for contraception because I know many women who got pregnant on it. Also, I believe that in many cases it increases the chances of illness and also screws up the bodies often of women. When I was sexually active (before I became celibate due to religious reasons)I believed in the condom instead and this is what I believe people should use. There is no hormonal effects to the body and if used correctly has a high rate of success.

Here's the issue though why many don't believe in covering the pill and it's religious. Basically by covering the pill insurers are giving people to excuse to engage in sex, many of which is high risk. Many people then don't use condoms which are the best for preventing HIV and many other illnesses. Viagra shouldn't be covered either as it does the same thing in hindsight as the pill and encourages people to have sex.

I don't really have a problem with insurers covering pills or Viagra assuming it's their choice. When the government starting telling Catholic organizations they had to cover the pill I felt that was infringing on their beliefs.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:53 PM
 
Location: California
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Insurance companies learned long ago it's more cost efficient to pay for pregnancy prevention than pregnancies themselves. They have no problems with covering anything that will save them money, it's what they do. There is no morality involved in those business decisions.

From what been able to pick up here is that most people are fine with that AS LONG AS THERE IS A COPAY (regardless of the amount apparently). A few die hards don't think it should be covered at all since having sex is a choice and you should fully pay for your own choices, but they are at battle with the insurance companies who think otherwise..see above..and conveniently ignore all the other choices we make that effect our health care. It also ignores human biology and the fact that pretty much everyone is or is going to have sex. It's not so much a choice as what we are biologically programmed to do. Except in the minds of those who want to get specific about who is doing what, when, why, how.

The really wierd stuff comes into play when people think employers and companies can tell insurance companies what they want/don't want their plans to cover while people are in their employ. Isn't that odd?
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Personally I have no issues with people using birth control for medical reasons. I don't trust it though for contraception because I know many women who got pregnant on it. Also, I believe that in many cases it increases the chances of illness and also screws up the bodies often of women. When I was sexually active (before I became celibate due to religious reasons)I believed in the condom instead and this is what I believe people should use. There is no hormonal effects to the body and if used correctly has a high rate of success.

Here's the issue though why many don't believe in covering the pill and it's religious. Basically by covering the pill insurers are giving people to excuse to engage in sex, many of which is high risk. Many people then don't use condoms which are the best for preventing HIV and many other illnesses. Viagra shouldn't be covered either as it does the same thing in hindsight as the pill and encourages people to have sex.

I don't really have a problem with insurers covering pills or Viagra assuming it's their choice. When the government starting telling Catholic organizations they had to cover the pill I felt that was infringing on their beliefs.
You have some erroneous ideas about the pill.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: California
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Personally I have no issues with people using birth control for medical reasons. I don't trust it though for contraception because I know many women who got pregnant on it. Also, I believe that in many cases it increases the chances of illness and also screws up the bodies often of women. When I was sexually active (before I became celibate due to religious reasons)I believed in the condom instead and this is what I believe people should use. There is no hormonal effects to the body and if used correctly has a high rate of success.

Here's the issue though why many don't believe in covering the pill and it's religious. Basically by covering the pill insurers are giving people to excuse to engage in sex, many of which is high risk. Many people then don't use condoms which are the best for preventing HIV and many other illnesses. Viagra shouldn't be covered either as it does the same thing in hindsight as the pill and encourages people to have sex.

I don't really have a problem with insurers covering pills or Viagra assuming it's their choice. When the government starting telling Catholic organizations they had to cover the pill I felt that was infringing on their beliefs.
Condoms don't do that? I'll let you in on a secret, people don't need an excuse to have sex. They need an excuse not to, like you becoming celibate for religious reasons.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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You have some erroneous ideas about the pill.
Actually no I don't. The pill is hormonal based and hormones do affect our bodies. It's not just the pill but anything hormonal based scares me because it does mess up the system. I am generally anti pill in most cases (and by this I mean pills in general not THE PILL).
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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Condoms don't do that? I'll let you in on a secret, people don't need an excuse to have sex. They need an excuse not to, like you becoming celibate for religious reasons.
True but condoms allow a person to engage in sex responsibly. With the hormones in the pill it does cloud judgement at times. Hormone based medicine does this in many cases.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: California
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True but condoms allow a person to engage in sex responsibly. With the hormones in the pill it does cloud judgement at times. Hormone based medicine does this in many cases.
Clouds judgement? It's just as if not more responsible than condoms, especially for those who really don't want to risk a pregnancy.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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True but condoms allow a person to engage in sex responsibly. With the hormones in the pill it does cloud judgement at times. Hormone based medicine does this in many cases.
You also have some misconceptions (no pun intended) about hormones.
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