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Old 03-07-2013, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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And insurance doesn't pay for that. If women can get covered for birth control, men should be able to get condoms covered.
While I don't agree with BC being covered, I agree with your logic. Actually, it would make more sense to cover condoms since they slow the spread of STD's and that would actually be good for society. I see no logical reason for insurance companies to pay for chemical BC for women though.
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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This is something that is personal choice. I choose not to pay for your BC because that is your choice. It is not something needed to treat a medical condition (most of the time, if it is, there is no issue. It should be covered.). You are choosing BC over condoms. Your choice, your bill. Oh, and the condoms are your bill too.
Getting pregnant is a choice, too. And not a medical condition. Why should insurance companies have to cover pregnancies?
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: California
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Make BCP's available over the counter and then we'll talk.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: California
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While I don't agree with BC being covered, I agree with your logic. Actually, it would make more sense to cover condoms since they slow the spread of STD's and that would actually be good for society. I see no logical reason for insurance companies to pay for chemical BC for women though.
It's good for society too.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Getting pregnant is a choice, too. And not a medical condition. Why should insurance companies have to cover pregnancies?
Wow. So I just imagined almost bleeding to death delivering my dd...My doctor must have been nuts to have imagined all that blood that hit him when she was delivered ...Must have been mass hysteria given the nurses and dh saw it too.... Pregnancy is a medical condition how you choose to avoid getting pregnant is not.

The choice to use BC is the choice to avoid using abstinence or condoms and that's all it is. BC is not a medical necessity to avoid pregnancy. You can avoid it in non medical ways. This is a personal choice.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:45 PM
 
Location: California
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So your argument is that two wrongs make a right?
No, my arguement is there are no worngs. If you and your Dr think and Rx will improve your quality of life (whether it be getting an erection or not getting pregnant) then that's that. Thinking we should be able to micromanage what we don't like which effects the lives of other people, insurance or taxes, is the only wrong.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Make BCP's available over the counter and then we'll talk.
The problem with that is they are dangerous so medical care is necessary if you use them. Many women (myself included) develop blood clots while on the pill (I was put on the pill as a teen to regulate my periods (which never did become regular) and ended up having a stroke at the ripe old age of 18 when a blood clot lodged at the base of the right side of my brain.). BC isn't by prescription because the condition it treats is a medical condition. They're prescription because of the conditions they can cause. They are a choice that comes with risks. It's the risks that makes them prescription.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:50 PM
 
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No, my arguement is there are no worngs. If you and your Dr think and Rx will improve your quality of life (whether it be getting an erection or not getting pregnant) then that's that. Thinking we should be able to micromanage what we don't like which effects the lives of other people, insurance or taxes, is the only wrong.
How does BC improve someone's quality of life over say, correctly using condoms given that condoms also lower your risk of contracting an STD which is a benefit to society as a whole?

This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a preference issue. Your preference, your choice. BC doesn't improve your quality of life. It lets you have sex without a condom. I don't think I owe it to you to pay for that for you.

I can make an argument for free condoms but I can't make one for free BC. Free condoms not only prevent pregnancy they prevent the spread of disease. That benefits society and the insurance company. You get a two for one deal here and it's cheaper than BC without the risk of things like blood clots.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:58 PM
 
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I really like these "debates" on BC coverage in Health Insurance plans(it tells a lot about the people according to their opinions on it).

I am 100% FOR all BC to be covered as part of a comprehensive health plan, co-pay same as all other medications.

Commonly known "Birth Control" pills can be prescribed for many ailments unrelated to pregnancy prevention(research is your friend), but some want to block ALL uses.
If your personal WELL INFORMED position is to not use Birth control, then don't, but don't tell others they can't either.

Females pay MORE than males for comparable Health Insurance plans, on group plans this is built into the group premium.

I don't know where anyone got this "free" idea from, I have ideas, but ...

There are many(including some posting in this thread) that DO want to control female's sex lives because they have the opinion that sex is dirty, perverted, or evil and/or is for procreation only.

I could make a list of the posters in this thread and place them in columns based on how much sex outside procreation(if any) they take part in and be pretty accurate.

Oh, for poor people on Medicaid, "Birth Control" has ALWAYS been covered, it has nothing to do with "Obamacare".
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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I agree, I think the condoms idea is a good solution.
If all men were responsible enough to use condoms every time they didn't intend to procreate, women wouldn't need "protection." Condoms are a good idea, but they are NOT the answer to birth control.

Since our government has decided that the taxpayer WILL pay the price for every child born to a mother who can't/won't support it, the question is clear: "Do I want to spend $200 a year to provide the pill to young sexually active low-income woman, or do I want to spend $250,000 to feed, clothe, educate, and otherwise support each of her offspring?"

Had the Baby Boom not flooded the labor force and elected irresponsible government leaders who spent far more per taxpayer than any future economic growth could possibly support, we wouldn't be in such dire economic circumstances today. But the fact remains that the current level of government dependency CANNOT continue, let alone increase. And the first step to re-creating a prosperous working class is to reduce the number of people in the future desperate for jobs. Telling the dependent classes to "use condoms" is a joke.

Providing incentives for RELIABLE birth control like the pill, rather than paying for more dependent babies, is a good start. Technological development of a form of birth control that will work for years at a time would be even better.
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