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Old 04-23-2013, 03:56 AM
 
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Obama close Guantanamo Bay. I'm not sure why they are so upset...
I agree, and even started a thread on this earlier today (no takers as of yet).

But I say that Guantanamo should be handed back to Cuba seeing as it's their territory anyway.

Seems like neo-colonialism to me.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This one's on me. You do the rest of your googling.


Gitmo Detainees Return to Field of Battle | Washington Free Beacon
That indicates some return to assist terror groups, I don't question that some actually do just the number. Holding someone for 11 years because they might have been involved with Al Queda is rather punitive don.t you think. I don't question the conditions are pretty good at Guantanamo.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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That indicates some return to assist terror groups, I don't question that some actually do just the number. Holding someone for 11 years because they might have been involved with Al Queda is rather punitive don.t you think. I don't question the conditions are pretty good at Guantanamo.
Ever stop to think there might be a very good reason those people are held? First, everyone complained it was Bush holding these people. The left up in arms about it. Complaining he was a war criminal, etc.

Obama said on his FIRST day in office he was going to close it. He didn't. He didn't even come close. Funny how the left is fairly silent on this issue and NO ONE is calling Obama a war criminal. However, I digress.

Obama gets into office and is briefed by his advisors as to why Gitmo CANNOT be closed. There are serious security concerns with shutting it down and releasing some of those persons. And yes, like it or not, YOU DON'T have the need to know, nor the right to know what those security concerns are (even though Obama said you did and was going to have a transparent government).

Here is a simple, get used to it fact: For THIS or any other government, no matter who is running it, there are issues, secrets, etc the general population is no privy too, nor should they be. Gitmo is a perfect example. Those "people" are there for a reason and belong there. If they want to starve themselves to death, let them.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:11 AM
 
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Some of these detainees have been in jail for 11 years with no charges, when does it end?


Guantanamo Bay hunger strike grows; over half of prisoners refusing to eat | abc7.com

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Old 04-23-2013, 06:13 AM
 
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I agree, and even started a thread on this earlier today (no takers as of yet).

But I say that Guantanamo should be handed back to Cuba seeing as it's their territory anyway.

Seems like neo-colonialism to me.

Gee Ken- That is an interesting statement toward a nation that ejected the Japanese from your country. Now how do you think you would be doing today, had the US simply allowed the Japanese to continue thier occupation of the Phillipines? Did Battan and Manilla show you nothing?
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:21 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Obama said he was going to close it, then he found out all the facts about the people being held there and decided not to close it after all. That, more than anything, tells me it needs to remain in opporation. I could care less if they refuse to eat, their choice.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ever stop to think there might be a very good reason those people are held? First, everyone complained it was Bush holding these people. The left up in arms about it. Complaining he was a war criminal, etc.

Obama said on his FIRST day in office he was going to close it. He didn't. He didn't even come close. Funny how the left is fairly silent on this issue and NO ONE is calling Obama a war criminal. However, I digress.

Obama gets into office and is briefed by his advisors as to why Gitmo CANNOT be closed. There are serious security concerns with shutting it down and releasing some of those persons. And yes, like it or not, YOU DON'T have the need to know, nor the right to know what those security concerns are (even though Obama said you did and was going to have a transparent government).

Here is a simple, get used to it fact: For THIS or any other government, no matter who is running it, there are issues, secrets, etc the general population is no privy too, nor should they be. Gitmo is a perfect example. Those "people" are there for a reason and belong there. If they want to starve themselves to death, let them.
If there is a good reason to keep them incarcerated then let's have it, make it public instead of hiding behind a secret veil. We know more about Ben Laden's capture and the people involved than the reason an individual was arrested years ago.

Guantanamo cannot be closed without funding and congress would not provide the money, they are afraid of backlash from their constituents if these individuals were moved to federal prisons stateside. History will look back on this as a travesty, same as when the Japanese citizens were stripped of their possessions and placed in camps
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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Actually thats a lie. Congress has to re-authorize funds for it, and the President signs off on it.
what's a lie? Congress has to approve funds to close GITMO and move the prisoners to the U.S.

so what's the frickin lie?
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:31 PM
 
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Do you have a link, is it "most" or "some", since when so we intern people for this length of time without charges.
it's closer to 4% that have returned to the battlefield according to CNN
Commentary: How many Gitmo prisoners return to fight? - CNN.com
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Obama said he was going to close it, then he found out all the facts about the people being held there and decided not to close it after all. That, more than anything, tells me it needs to remain in opporation. I could care less if they refuse to eat, their choice.


Obama wants it closed but congress wouldn't allocate funds to close it. That's the fact.
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