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Old 04-23-2013, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If say 1 out of 1000 immigrants commits crimes against US citizens like the Two brothers who bombed the Boston marathon, then why not ban immigration if it will save even one life? Why are Americans [liberals] willing to give up their second amendment rights but at the same time are willing to live with the problems that some immigrants cause?

The left uses the same argument against guns, but not against immigrants. If a gun ban will save just one life, if a magazine ban will save just one life, then ban them. Well if by banning immigration it saves one life then why not stop it?
Construction workers die building buildings. Why not ban building buildings to save lives? Fisherman drown in the ocean. Why not ban fishing?

What you are unwittingly referring to is assumption of risk and what is acceptable risk. Those who favor reasonable regulation of firearms note that there were 900,000 gun deaths in the U.S. since 1980, while similar nations that have stricter regulations have a fraction of that number.

You may think sacrificing nearly a million lives is an acceptable cost to maintain this fantasy of "freedom" but any do not.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Oh crap...in oredr to satisfy the nitpicky that want to make an issue rather than acknowledge your general idea ( although there are some right on this forum that do want total bans)...amend your analogy to bans on assualt guns....that ought to do it.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Construction workers die building buildings. Why not ban building buildings to save lives? Fisherman drown in the ocean. Why not ban fishing?

What you are unwittingly referring to is assumption of risk and what is acceptable risk. Those who favor reasonable regulation of firearms note that there were 900,000 gun deaths in the U.S. since 1980, while similar nations that have stricter regulations have a fraction of that number.

You may think sacrificing nearly a million lives is an acceptable cost to maintain this fantasy of "freedom" but any do not.
Funny.....it's done all the time in our so-called "for our freedom" wars
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Oh crap...in oredr to satisfy the nitpicky that want to make an issue rather than acknowledge your general idea ( although there are some right on this forum that do want total bans)...amend your analogy to bans on assualt guns....that ought to do it.

Its not nit picky, its the whole concept that's asinine.

How many democrats on the hill support an assault weapons ban? How many republicans want to repeal the ban on fully automatic weapons that's already in place?

About the same number.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:02 AM
 
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Construction workers die building buildings. Why not ban building buildings to save lives? Fisherman drown in the ocean. Why not ban fishing?

What you are unwittingly referring to is assumption of risk and what is acceptable risk. Those who favor reasonable regulation of firearms note that there were 900,000 gun deaths in the U.S. since 1980, while similar nations that have stricter regulations have a fraction of that number.

You may think sacrificing nearly a million lives is an acceptable cost to maintain this fantasy of "freedom" but any do not.
1,150,000 have died in car accidents since 1980. The founder could never have seen automobiles. And the number of deaths outnumber guns so therefor we need to regulate cars more.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:06 AM
 
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Its not nit picky, its the whole concept that's asinine.

How many democrats on the hill support an assault weapons ban? How many republicans want to repeal the ban on fully automatic weapons that's already in place?

About the same number.
Its hard to talk to people like you who don't know what your talking about. There is no ban on full auto weapons. Here is a list for sale to the public just on Gun Broker.

Machine Guns - Gun Auction - Machine Guns at GunBroker.com

They are more regulated then semi auto in that you have to buy a tax stamp from the Government to own one, but are very legal.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Its not nit picky, its the whole concept that's asinine.

How many democrats on the hill support an assault weapons ban? How many republicans want to repeal the ban on fully automatic weapons that's already in place?

About the same number.

Are you not realizing his anaolgy is aimed at those that keep using the "if it would save just one life,it's worth it " argument?
If the shoe fits, fine....if it doesn't, what's your beef?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Its hard to talk to people like you who don't know what your talking about. There is no ban on full auto weapons. Here is a list for sale to the public just on Gun Broker.

Machine Guns - Gun Auction - Machine Guns at GunBroker.com

They are more regulated then semi auto in that you have to buy a tax stamp from the Government to own one, but are very legal.


There is a ban you moron be cause you can't go and buy a new one without being the federal government.

By your logic there would be no assault weapons ban, if passed, because you could still buy old assault rifles. NRA got their panties in a war over that


Guess what, marijuana is legal with a tax stamp. Ever seen anyone with a marijuana federal tax stamp?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:11 AM
 
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Are you not realizing his anaolgy is aimed at those that keep using the "if it would save just one life,it's worth it " argument?
If the shoe fits, fine....if it doesn't, what's your beef?
I think its a case of if you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with BS.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Are you not realizing his anaolgy is aimed at those that keep using the "if it would save just one life,it's worth it " argument?
If the shoe fits, fine....if it doesn't, what's your beef?


Question? Do we screen, or check the background, of immigrants trying to get in legally?
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