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Old 04-27-2013, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The court has already tossed out the case. If you have enough money, the law doesn't apply to you.
Then don't borrow money and don't use a bank. Move your money to your mattress or form your own local Credit Union.

Pay cash for everything and cut your credit cards. Rent an apartment. Barter your services. If you believe all of what you've stated and you still participate, you're part of the problem.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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...If you believe all of what you've stated and you still participate, you're part of the problem.
I don't know if your politics and mine line up much at all (well, they would somewhere, I reckon) but you're not wrong in what you say here.

The trouble is, as Utopian as living off the grid and away from the network/system sounds, it is too radical for most people to countenance. I get what you are saying, but the majority of people are caught up in this too deeply to face major change or the idea of shunning that network/support system mentality and step off a cliff into the unknown.

Realistically, few people are going to do that sort of thing, especially if they are pacified with microwavable food packets, 500 television channels, and a half-dozen electronic gadgets they are on when they aren't eating or watching tv. Or maybe they are just tired from working hard and they have children to worry about. People have all kinds of impetus to stay where they are and keep doing what they are doing, even if they are barey making it.

I'm not saying that great numbers of people jumping off the grid wouldn't be a positive thing, or that I wouldn't like to see it; I just don't think we're at the point where anything like that is going to happen.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:49 AM
 
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Much is coming out. More is likely coming. Change is a real possibility. Will be interesting.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:48 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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How can we stop it? We're too busy fighting amongst ourselves to affect any real change.
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:01 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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The court has already tossed out the case. If you have enough money, the law doesn't apply to you.
Hey.... don't ya know that billionaires can't do any wrong? Sarcasm of course. But seriously we're the ones who give them God-like status because of their accumulated wealth.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: USA
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So the entire system is rigged and fraudulent. If you can't prosecute them and you can't affect change through legislation or by voting out the insiders, your choice is to not participate.

As I stated, hope you don't have a bank account or borrow money.
Not true.


For now I'm just another poster.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: USA
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There was a group that was close to pulling the lever...


Then everybody turned on them.



There will be another group though. There were groups before Occupy ever surfaced.
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I've generally noticed that the biggest complainers are the biggest supporters of the banks and/or corporations they despise.

We see it in the Bay Area all the time. Occupy stickers on BMW's with young drivers sipping $5 coffee and wearing a $400 watch. Or young kids lined up at IKEA oblivious to the implications of buying mass-produced "furniture" shipped halfway around the globe.

My wife and I rarely ate out when we were young. I recently watched a table of "kids" drop $500 in North Beach at the same time they complained about student loans, crappy wages, and high rents. I bet half the bill was alcohol.

Vote with your wallet, as the saying goes.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Vote with your wallet, as the saying goes.
Very good advice. I was nearly shocked yesterday when I learned my friend still has an account with Bank of America. Why anyone would trust their money in this day and age in the hands of these greedy psychopathic banksters is beyond my comprehension. I use a Credit Union only but unfortunately was young and naive a few years ago and obtained a mortgage with Wells Fargo. I'm now working on getting a private loan to pay off my mortgage and I will never have to deal with these corrupt and colluded institutions again.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Then don't borrow money and don't use a bank. Move your money to your mattress or form your own local Credit Union.

Pay cash for everything and cut your credit cards. Rent an apartment. Barter your services. If you believe all of what you've stated and you still participate, you're part of the problem.

John, it's just not that easy. You make it sound like it really is easy. I use credit cards, but I learned how to avoid paying any interest. The problems arise with the costs of going to college, purchasing a car, paying taxes on everything, purchasing a home and paying for your kids college tuition. Most Americans don't have a million dollars or other assets worth a million dollars at the age of 18. Not only that, with some of your suggestions it will be difficult for people to accumulate "meaningful" wealth (not federal reserve notes). Renting your whole life doesn't help.
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