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Old 11-06-2007, 07:58 AM
 
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Do you mean that Georgie and company would cook up some more lies about WMDs and terror in an effort to remain in office? wow,,,,, I can’t image that happening AGAIN, but there are some supporters called the “BASE” and I’m sure they would do it again and again.
Interesting talking about WMD and Hillary, Pelosi, Edwards and others were for going after the WMD now they claim they were not.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:14 AM
 
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LYING to the American people about weapons of mass destruction. Going into Iraq and murdering thousands of innocent people and displacing millions more.
Lying to the American people about spying on citizens when he himself stated"you need a court order to wiretap".
Knowing full well the plan to out a cia agent.
How about when he said "I don't spend much time thinking about Osama?"
What the hell was that? I mean according to Bush it was Osama responsible for 9/11 wasn't it?
These are just a few of the crimes and they are not vague assertions. Look at his ratings hon, he makes Richard Nixon look like a sweetheart.
The man is a disgrace and so is his entire administration.
Bush/Cheney>>over a million whoppers served!
You are wrong. Bill/Hillary Clinton were for going after WMD Hill 2002 Bill 2/17/1998

Madeleine Albright 1998
Howard Dean 2/17/98
Sandy Berger 2/18/98
Joe Biden Aug.4,2002
Nancy Pelosi 2002
Harry Reid 9/18/2002
Hillary Clinton 9/15/2002
Edwards 1/7/2003
Evan Bayh 3/17/2003
President Bush 11/11/2005 talking about how the above is trying to change the facts that led up to proceeding with going after WMD!

Every President ever has wiretapped and spied to protect us if you have nothing to do with criminal activity/terrorists you would be thankful they are keeping us safe.

Here for your viewing pleasure is the video of the said Democrats talking about WMD and how we need to address etc..

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv (broken link)
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:25 AM
 
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"Every President ever has wiretapped and spied to protect us if you have nothing to do with criminal activity/terrorists"

Or foreign political dissidents, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time...

"you would be thankful they are keeping us safe."
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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What set of delusions could ever let anyone think we are SAFE? This administration does not want us safe, it wants to stay in power. Our safety is irrelevant to that goal.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:49 AM
 
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What set of delusions could ever let anyone think we are SAFE? This administration does not want us safe, it wants to stay in power. Our safety is irrelevant to that goal.

You always have a way of hitting the nail on the head.



Also:
"They" being in power means they can make more money with their control.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:57 AM
 
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Every President ever has wiretapped and spied to protect us if you have nothing to do with criminal activity/terrorists you would be thankful they are keeping us safe.
Every other President managed to get a warrant which is what they are supposed to do legally. Nixon didn't think he needed a warrant and we all know how much dignity he left his office with.

There are rules, laws and checks and balances to the use of surveillance, all of which have been either pushed back or obliterated during this administration, unless of course the United States Constitution is something you mock.

This mentality of "well others did it so can we" is like saying, well slavery is ok because they do it in Israel or Russia or Nicaragua.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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What set of delusions could ever let anyone think we are SAFE? This administration does not want us safe, it wants to stay in power. Our safety is irrelevant to that goal.
It accomplished the goal of "staying in power" in November of 2004. You must have missed it. Overslept, perhaps.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:11 AM
 
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Every other President managed to get a warrant which is what they are supposed to do legally. Nixon didn't think he needed a warrant and we all know how much dignity he left his office with.

There are rules, laws and checks and balances to the use of surveillance, all of which have been either pushed back or obliterated during this administration, unless of course the United States Constitution is something you mock.

This mentality of "well others did it so can we" is like saying, well slavery is ok because they do it in Israel or Russia or Nicaragua.
Section 1802. Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal; duties and compensation of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court

(a)(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the
Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a
court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence
information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General
certifies in writing under oath that -


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Old 11-06-2007, 09:18 AM
 
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And, of course, as we learned today, both President Clinton and President Carter authorized their administrations to undertake warrantless wiretaps, with President Clinton actually authorizing warrantless physical searches of property as well, for foreign intelligence gathering purposes.
http://www.qando.net/ - More on the NSA Wiretaps

Under Clinton, NY Times called surveillance "a necessity"
By William Tate

The controversy following revelations that U.S. intelligence agencies have monitored suspected terrorist related communications since 9/11 reflects a severe case of selective amnesia by the New York Times and other media opponents of President Bush.
They certainly didn't show the same outrage when a much more invasive and indiscriminate domestic surveillance program came to light during the Clinton administration in the 1990's. At that time, the Times called the surveillance 'a necessity.'

'If you made a phone call today or sent an e—mail to a friend, there's a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country's largest intelligence agency.' (Steve Kroft, CBS' 60 Minutes)

Those words were aired on February 27, 2000 to describe the National Security Agency and an electronic surveillance program called Echelon whose mission, according to Kroft,

'is to eavesdrop on enemies of the state: foreign countries, terrorist groups and drug cartels. But in the process, Echelon's computers capture virtually every electronic conversation around the world.'

The Times actually defended the existence of Echelon

And the Times article quoted an N.S.A. official in assuring readers
'...that all Agency activities are conducted in accordance with the highest constitutional, legal and ethical standards.'
Of course, that was on May 27, 1999 and Bill Clinton, not George W. Bush, was president.
Even so, the article did admit that
'...many are concerned that the system could be abused to collect economic and political information.'
American Thinker: Under Clinton, NY Times called surveillance "a necessity"
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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"It accomplished the goal of "staying in power" in November of 2004. You must have missed it. Overslept, perhaps" Yeledaf

I am well aware of the fraud of Novenber 2004. I am concerned with the fraud of 2008!
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