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Old 07-18-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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Defined Bankruptcy - Chapter 9

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Detroit becomes largest US city to file for bankruptcy


A number of factors -- most notably steep population and tax base falls -- have been blamed on Detroit's tumble toward insolvency. Detroit lost a quarter-million residents between 2000 and 2010. A population that in the 1950s reached 1.8 million is struggling to stay above 700,000. Much of the middle-class and scores of businesses also have fled Detroit, taking their tax dollars with them.

In recent months, the city has relied on state-backed bond money to meet payroll for its approximately 10,000 employees.

Orr was unable to convince a host of creditors, the city's union and pension boards to take pennies on the dollar to help facilitate the city's massive financial restructuring.

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Detroit's budget deficit is believed to be more than $380 million. Orr has said long-term debt was more than $14 billion and could be between $17 billion and $20 billion.


The people taking union and pension money wasn't giving up a penny to help out.

They blame steep population falls. That's NOT the cause. Why did they leave? THAT would be the cause.

The population didn't spend the money. For crying out loud - quit blaming everybody else and look at yourselves.

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Old 07-18-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Anybody know how much the city had promised its workers in future pension plans, that it was then unable to pay when they started actually retiring?

Seems to be the common factor in most city financial crises nowadays.

How many such pensions were "negotiated" by unions?
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Finally something to push Trayvon off my Twitter feed.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Detroit files for bankruptcy - Jul. 18, 2013

Deserves its own thread.

How does Detroit rebound? What were the causes of its problems?
Automakers wanted cheap labor, they couldn't find it in Motor City, so they closed up shops and moved where labor was cheaper. This put the proverbial torpedo into revenues collected by the city and state governments. When a city loses workers, it's same as losing taxes paid by those workers.

Liberals tried to save jobs through negotiating, but found stiff opposition to their ideas of concessions. Detroit won't ever rebound, IMO.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
Anybody know how much the city had promised its workers in future pension plans, that it was then unable to pay when they started actually retiring?

Seems to be the common factor in most city financial crises nowadays.

How many such pensions were "negotiated" by unions?
How many contracts are signed by only ONE side?
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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City of Detroit Pension
Funds File Lawsuit to Block Bankruptcy Filing


DETROIT, July 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- The General Retirement System of the City of Detroit and the Police and Fire Retirement Systemof the City of Detroit (the "Retirement Systems") announced today that they have initiated acivil action against City of Detroit Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr and Governor Rick Snyder in the Ingham County Circuit Court, Lansing, Michigan.

In the suit, the Retirement Systems challenge the authority of the Emergency Manager and the Governor to authorize bankruptcy proceedings for the City of Detroit that would in any way impair the accrued financial benefits of theRetirement Systems' plan participants and beneficiaries, said benefits being protected by Article IX, Section 24 of theMichigan Constitution of 1963. By allowing any such impairment, the lawsuit asserts that the Emergency Manager and the Governor would be in violation of their respective oaths of office, which, pursuant to Article XI, Section 1of Michigan's Constitution, require them to support and uphold the Michigan Constitution.
http://www.rscd.org/City%20of%20Detr...y%20Filing.pdf
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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Seems to be the common factor in most city financial crises nowadays.
It's more than cities, many states, counties and small local governments are in the same boat. The early part of the last decade many of gave out contracts that should never have been given and now the bill is due.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Detroit files for bankruptcy - Jul. 18, 2013

Deserves its own thread.

How does Detroit rebound? What were the causes of its problems?
It seems like there's a correlation between poorly run cities and Democratic politics.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It seems like there's a correlation between poorly run cities and Democratic politics.
Get out of town
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Little-Acorn
Anybody know how much the city had promised its workers in future pension plans, that it was then unable to pay when they started actually retiring?

Seems to be the common factor in most city financial crises nowadays.

How many such pensions were "negotiated" by unions?
How many contracts are signed by only ONE side?
Government-union contracts are between three sides:

1.) The union
2.) The government who collects taxes to pay them
3.) The citizens who pay taxes for city services

One of those sides was NEVER present during contract negotiations and signings. (Hint: It wasn't the union or the govt).
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