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Religion does have a role to play in Government but it is a very small and well Defined role. things like recognizing that god exists and that we get our rights from him and not the government but other than that it shouldn't play a role.
The government should not recognize that God exists. That being said, it's near impossible to separate an individual from his/her religious identity and the government is made up of individuals. Religion is receding in the US. As a result, so will the individual representation of religion within the government as time goes on.
God has nothing to do with rights the government grants you.
the government doesn't give you any rights. you are born with your rights weather or not the government respects them or not is something else. in the founding documents of the United States it recognizes that and it should continue to do so.
the government doesn't give you any rights. you are born with your rights weather or not the government respects them or not is something else. in the founding documents of the United States it recognizes that and it should continue to do so.
What about gun owners saying they have the right to bear arms? You mean God gives them that right?
So the politicians of iran are apparently proposing a law to let 9 year old marry to fit sharia law, which any western reader will find absurd. In general Muslim based laws are a cause for a lot of resentment towards foreign legal systems.
But in a more general basis do you think it's acceptable that politicians argue legislation based on religious beliefs? or use the god so many believe in for their political campaigns?
Right now, invoking God constantly isn't going to get you elected anywhere in the USA. There have been religion-based abuses in US history and I don't think it's right. But most of your Christian basics (Thou shalt no kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, thou shalt not commit adultery, etc) are just common sense morals. They should make perfect sense to anyone no matter what religion or non-religion they happen to belong to.
If you can offer up some actual examples of the USA doing what Iran is doing, please do share. I think we'd all love to hear about it. I am not aware of any law that crams anyone's religious views down another's throat.
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An example is the discussion about abortions, where there is apparently a large part of america being against abortions calling it "pro life", based on their "christian morals and values".
Even presidential candidates went into this in the last election, but what really gives a christian believer and/or politician the right to tell for example an atheist woman what she can or can't do with her womb and arguably almost alive fetus?
Abortion is not a God vs Atheism argument. Many atheists and agnostics are pro-life. The pro-life side of things is ridiculously easy to argue without even mentioning God at all. So this particular example fails.
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President bush ended the better part of his speeches along the lines with "god bless america", a rather innocent statement, but should the highest ruling person of a modern country really be involving religion in his speeches about governing a country of which the very first founding documents state clearly that religion should have nothing to do with the country?
The very first amendment of your constitution says
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
what do you think?
I think that the President is not a member of Congress. His saying "God bless America" does not constitute making a law. If a member of Congress wants or any person of high political standing wants to invoke God, Allah, Buddha, Thor, Zeus or Ra in any public speech, I'd say that's them exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. It would be unconstitutional to tell them they can't.
Clear violations of the 2nd Amendment would be things like the Wounded Knee Massacre or The Mormon Extermination Order of Missouri. Forcing an atheist to pray or refusing to allow a believer to pray -- those are violations of the 2nd Amendment. America is diverse in all ways and we'll just have to get along without trying to run other people's lives. Forcing others to do what we think is right purely on religious/ideological grounds is wrong and should never be tolerated.
the government doesn't give you any rights. you are born with your rights weather or not the government respects them or not is something else. in the founding documents of the United States it recognizes that and it should continue to do so.
Does the constitution or god give us rights because it can't be both. If god gave us rights then we don't need a constitution compiled by men.
Can you name 3 rights that you have right now that would be impossible to have/recognize in an atheist governed country?
Well under atheist governments there are many rights that were taken away. Books have been written about it. At it's worse people were killed for believing in God. It's happening right now in some countries.
Well under atheist governments there are many rights that were taken away. Books have been written about it. At it's worse people were killed for believing in God. It's happening right now in some countries.
What rights were taken away by atheists. Seriously. And people are killed every day for believing in a different religion.
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