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Old 06-01-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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The second amendment is about a "well regulated militia". Was Z going to a milita meeting, target practice, what?
The second amendment is about a person's right to self defense, whether that be against a single attacker, an attacking force or an out of control government.

 
Old 06-01-2013, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Why?
Because a police operator is part of a law enforcement agency, and is trained to give instructions to members of the public who call in.

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Those maps were wrong, even the person making them continued to "update" them as they realized they were incorrect.

Here's a map that doesn't assume paths Trayvon and Zimmerman took, but shows the correct locations for everything.



Trayvon's girlfriend said he said he was "right by his dad's" at one point. If that was true, Trayvon had to have doubled back, and the timing is works for that.

From when Zimmerman said Trayvon was running until Zimmeman hung up was 2 minutes. Trayvon could have strolled back to Brandy's apartment and been there before Zimmerman hung up.

0:15 – The best address I can give you is the clubhouse. [A]
0:45 – He’s just staring at the houses. Now he’s staring at me.
1:00 – He’s coming towards me.
1:20 – He’s coming to check me out.
2:08 – ****, he’s running.
2:14 – Sound of truck door being closed. [C]
2:20 – He’s heading towards the back entrance. [referring to E]
2:25 – Are you following him? Yep.
2:45 – He ran… Zimmerman stops and completes the 911 call. [E]
4:05 – Call ends.
Trayvon's girlfriend was not there; she was in Miami. I would think that part of her "witness" would have to be disregarded.

You do note that at no time does Zimmerman say that Trayvon approached him; in fact, quite the opposite. Trayvon ran from him.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 11:16 PM
 
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The second amendment is about a person's right to self defense, whether that be against a single attacker, an attacking force or an out of control government.
Exactly, Martin was "standing his ground" and not backing down from his pursuer.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 11:26 PM
 
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Exactly, Martin was "standing his ground" and not backing down from his pursuer.
He didn't do a very good job of standing his ground when he climbed on top of George Zimmerman and began to beat his head against the ground.

If Trayvon were indeed standing his ground he did a pretty poor job of it and now he's below his ground.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 11:29 PM
 
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Because a police operator is part of a law enforcement agency, and is trained to give instructions to members of the public who call in.
911 operators these days are very seldom part of a law enforcement agency. That sort of job in my places has been farmed out to a 3rd party and their training starts and ends at their tabbed flip binder that they read from when you call.
 
Old 06-02-2013, 12:58 AM
 
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The second amendment is about a person's right to self defense, whether that be against a single attacker, an attacking force or an out of control government.
Another shot dead gun-less victim.
 
Old 06-02-2013, 02:48 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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How do you [Zimmerman] defend yourself against a person who's running in the opposite direction?
How do you [Zimmerman] shoot someone in the chest who's running in the opposite direction?

DOH!
 
Old 06-02-2013, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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He didn't do a very good job of standing his ground when he climbed on top of George Zimmerman and began to beat his head against the ground.

If Trayvon were indeed standing his ground he did a pretty poor job of it and now he's below his ground.
And you're happy about it. Unbelievable.
 
Old 06-02-2013, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Houston
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And you're happy about it. Unbelievable.
You have to admit standing your ground works better if you are the one who is armed.
 
Old 06-02-2013, 05:21 AM
 
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Exactly, Martin was "standing his ground" and not backing down from his pursuer.
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