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"everybody getting reported now.."
(set 25 days ago)
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Originally Posted by jade408
I had to write him off somewhere around the "Can I get a "****" you" era. N**** in Paris didn't help matters either. Nor did 99 problems.
Well to be honest, considering the number of songs he has out there in his catalog, I think he is an underachiever. The number I enjoyed is very very small. He's definitely not my favorite rapper, and it didn't really take much for me to write him off. There are plenty of other terrible rappers I have written off over the years due to classless and tactless lyrics.
None of these songs you listed reflect the whole "rape culture" argument you made.
And Jay Z is the better rapper to ever live. Regardless of you feeling a different way, calling him terrible is an insult to the genre.
And Jay Z isnt an underachiever, he was simply never the "most popular" rapper, he was always running second or 3rd, surviving the waves of fads " DMX, Nelly, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne). he has longevity because he is so good while others fade to black.
P.S. it doesn't matter if you sing about or Jesus while wearing a thong or a burka, it is always a problem when you aren't treated with respect by your fans or casual observers.
Automatic default mode respect only goes so far. Behave badly and you'll stop getting it, no matter how entitled to it you might feel.
Beyonce handled it very differently than I would have. I would have kicked him out, to make sure no one else gets any ideas that that sort of behavior is condoned or appropriate and would go unpunished.
I am not sure what I find more appalling, the fact this guy thought it was appropriate to reach out and touch her butt. Or the comments on the coverage that say she deserved it because she was wearing a skimpy outfit.
And there you have:
1. victim blaming
2. people claiming rights/ownership to someone else's body because of how they are dressed
3. condoning of the behavior by the public at large (one article I saw had comments like, whoohoo great idea, I should have tried that too or other insulting comments about meeting her at the afterparty for some private time)
4. The never-ending refrain of "boys will be boys"
Disappointing to say the least.
There might have been a language barrier. Maybe he thought she was singing the song directly to him, and mistook the lyrics as..."to the left, to the left, you can slap my butt, just reach out to the left". Wouldn't surprise me.
None of these songs you listed reflect the whole "rape culture" argument you made.
And Jay Z is the better rapper to ever live. Regardless of you feeling a different way, calling him terrible is an insult to the genre.
And Jay Z isnt an underachiever, he was simply never the "most popular" rapper, he was always running second or 3rd, surviving the waves of fads " DMX, Nelly, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne). he has longevity because he is so good while others fade to black.
Rick Ross is making the most direct ties to rape in his lyrics.
Jay-Z falls into the general mysogynist camp. Generally speaking, referring to women in the general sense as b***** puts you there.
Jay-z is an excellent business/branding role model, but I am not impressed with his music.
Calling it 'rape culture' is a bit excessive and over dramatized. You lose people with that phrase.
Was groping her inappropriate? Yes.
However, referring to it as 'rape' does an injustice to actual rapes that occur. You actually desensitize it by going overboard with it.
The language used in the reactions by many uses very similar language to what is used to justify rapes. That's why the whole term rape culture was deemed. Rape isn't about sexy, it is about power. And the language used to describe women illustrates this. Although the term rape culture might be a bit too academic to use in general discussion. It is fair to saw the use of the term has exploded over the past 6 months in mainstream media.
Status:
"everybody getting reported now.."
(set 25 days ago)
Location: Pine Grove,AL
29,568 posts, read 16,552,753 times
Reputation: 6044
Quote:
Originally Posted by jade408
Rick Ross is making the most direct ties to rape in his lyrics.
Jay-Z falls into the general mysogynist camp. Generally speaking, referring to women in the general sense as b***** puts you there.
Jay-z is an excellent business/branding role model, but I am not impressed with his music.
The 3 songs you mentioned early by Jay Z are also 3 of the most commercialized in his catalog. i doubt you actually listen to his music, if you did , you wouldnt be making this argument.
and just for clarity, Jay Z refers to just about everyone as a B$&%^ when he speaks ill of them, sex of the person has never mattered.
take 10 minutes, google "Lost Ones,Minority Report, Song Cry, and Murder to Excellence "
then respond to me, atleast then, i will know your only knowledge of the man is not just the singles the media plays
The language used in the reactions by many uses very similar language to what is used to justify rapes. That's why the whole term rape culture was deemed. Rape isn't about sexy, it is about power. And the language used to describe women illustrates this. Although the term rape culture might be a bit too academic to use in general discussion. It is fair to saw the use of the term has exploded over the past 6 months in mainstream media.
Disagree, with the path your taking this down, simply leering or staring uncomfortably at someone is 'rape'. I hardly think the dramatization of this terminology helps actual rape victims. If anything it's an injustice to them.
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