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Old 06-11-2013, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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We've had gun control since the early 1800's...
And it's working so well isn'tit????


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Y'know, the 2nd amendment didn't even apply to the states until 2010. so it's a bit hard to say that the purpose of the bill of rights is to limit government tyranny, it was only intended to limit the federal government.
Not exactly sure what you mean by this....... Do you mean it didn't apply to the "people" until 2010?

Sure it did.... The supreme court just hadn't yet ruled that it did....

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms......"

It was always meant to apply to the people, just like the first and fourth amendments, with that same underlined phrase, have always applied to the people.
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:24 AM
 
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Not exactly sure what you mean by this....... Do you mean it didn't apply to the "people" until 2010?

Sure it did.... The supreme court just hadn't ruled that it did.... and they did that in 2008, not 2010.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms......"

It was always meant to apply to the people, just like the first and fourth amendments, with that same underlined phrase, have always applied to the people.
The 2nd amendment doesn't "apply" to the people, it "applies" to the government "...shall not be infringed."

The 2nd amendment did not apply to (restrict) states until 2010 when Chicago v. McDonald was decided.

McDonald v. Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bill of rights did not start getting incorporated until after the 14th amendment was passed, and only then was it done on a case by case basis.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:39 AM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Afghanistan has fought off both the Soviet and U.S. military.
But look at the price it paid. So many people died in conflicts and thousands starved to death.

Heck, if you want to join a group like the Branch Davidians (that didn't end too well) and fight law enforcement, be my guest. I am pretty content living in this country and fighting the government the old fashioned way..protesting, writing letters, voting, etc., When I get sick of it, I'll move somewhere else.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:56 AM
 
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But look at the price it paid. So many people died in conflicts and thousands starved to death.
As we did between 1775–1783. (I don't know how many starved) Afghanistan didn't choose to do that either. It was forced upon them and when it was they defended themselves.

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Heck, if you want to join a group like the Branch Davidians (that didn't end too well) and fight law enforcement, be my guest. I am pretty content living in this country and fighting the government the old fashioned way..protesting, writing letters, voting, etc., When I get sick of it, I'll move somewhere else.
I don't wish to fight the government. I simply want to maintain the rights those that did fight the government acknowledged that we all should have.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:59 AM
 
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The 2nd amendment doesn't "apply" to the people, it "applies" to the government "....
Complete nonsense.
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Old 06-11-2013, 06:46 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Nope, your right. History does. Gun control has almost always resulted in gun bans around the world.
Citations, please.
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Old 06-11-2013, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Citations, please.
Ahhhhh.....blissful ignorance.

IBTL
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Old 06-11-2013, 06:49 AM
 
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Ahhhhh.....blissful ignorance.

IBTL
It's ignorant to want someone to prove the stuff they pull out of their backside? Oh wait ... you're a gun fetishist. You don't need proof because the stuff the NRA makes up and tells you to say is good enough for you.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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It's ignorant to want someone to prove the stuff they pull out of their backside? Oh wait ... you're a gun fetishist. You don't need proof because the stuff the NRA makes up and tells you to say is good enough for you.
It's ignorant to pretend that facts don't exist because you don't want to hear them and they contradict your agenda of infringing on other people's rights. Since you're purportedly such an expert on this issue please cite "the stuff the NRA makes up and tells me to say". I'll wait,
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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Complete nonsense.
a compelling counter argument.
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