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The treaty isn't valid (in this country) unless it's ratified by the Senate, right?
I don't even remember which part of the Constitution says that treaties are to be signed by the President. Might be there, but I can't think of it offhand. Just the ratified-by-Senate part.
ON EDIT:
Oops. Article 2, Section 2:
He (the President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
Sorry.
So, yes, the way we make treaties, is by having the Senate ratify them with a 2/3 majority, and then by the President signing them. (Does it have to be in that order?) I'd imagine that the Prez is also the one who does most of the negotiating, before it's ratified/signed.
So, if Obama signs a treaty the Senate hasn't ratified, it doesn't mean squat. Kind of like a "signing statement" on a bill, when the bill was passed by Congress but the "signing statement" wasn't.
Signing a treaty and ratifying it are two entirely different things. When you sign a treaty, you're saying you'll take it back to your legislature (in this case the Senate) for discussion. It's not a promise to ratify, it's not a ratification, and just being a signatory to a treaty doesn't bind you to it.
The treaty isn't valid (in this country) unless it's ratified by the Senate, right?
I don't even remember which part of the Constitution says that treaties are to be signed by the President. Might be there, but I can't think of it offhand. Just the ratified-by-Senate part.
ON EDIT:
Oops. Article 2, Section 2:
He (the President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
Sorry.
Not saying you are wrong.
From article: it demands that every nation create a registry of gun owners, manufacturers and traders within its borders. And also that each country establish mechanisms that could prevent private individuals from purchasing ammunition for any weapons they do own
People need to understand that there is a larger agenda afoot here. It would have been nice for team Obama for the Congress to agree, but in the end - the agenda must move forward even if he does it on his own.
Signing a treaty and ratifying it are two entirely different things. When you sign a treaty, you're saying you'll take it back to your legislature (in this case the Senate) for discussion. It's not a promise to ratify, it's not a ratification, and just being a signatory to a treaty doesn't bind you to it.
Funny how the Constitutionalist have so little understanding of the Constitution.
Article II
Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments
"He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;"
A international treaty has to voted upon by the congress. Signing a treaty and passing a treaty are two different things.
Either way its about gun control. A battle he lost earlier this year.
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