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Old 06-11-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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That he's doing it backwards.
No, he's not. Signing a treaty is the step BEFORE ratifying it. The treaty has been signed, not ratified. That's the exact proper process.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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That he's doing it backwards.
According to 237 years of historical precedent, no. You are the one here who has it precisely backwards.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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No. I never do that. I leave that to the credulous nincompoops. I check to see if I am being lied to or not.

You quoted the article. You said that the treaty demanded certain things. Are you now admitting that what you said is not true? That you actually have no idea what the treaty really says, but that you were instead pissing yourself over bull**** that you were fed?


I know for a fact that the real intent of this treaty is to reduce the international trafficking of weapons that results in the slaughter of innocent people.

On my planet, that's a worthy aspiration.
Read Article 5

Then Article 14

Seems like your planet is far away on cloud 9.

A gun registration system (though it’s not called such) is contained in the treaty’s Article 12 (“Record Keeping”)
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And you're jumping the gun on how the system actually works. Their "advice and consent" is the ratification vote within the Senate. Not a few Senators trying to throw red meat to their base. In order to get the Treaty in front of the Senate for them to give their advice and consent, it has to be signed.
The article said majority so I take that as more than 50%.

And the way I read that is the President would enter into a Treaty with the advice and consent of Congress, not that he would sign the treaty and then Congress says No.

I would think you'd walk into a treaty knowing your approving group approved of you going there to begin with.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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They advised him NOT to sign it. I read your link.
Upon the advice and consent of Congress.

He has neither.
Actually, we don't know if he has their consent.

What we know is that the UN has been working on an arms trade treaty. And that a bunch of right-wing Americans who seem more concerned with manufacturing controversy decided to mischaracterize that treaty as anti-2nd Amendment. That's a lie. But given the politics of the day, some GOP Congressmen, who actually probably know it's a lie, decide to be cavalierly partisan, and write a letter to the President, because they are courting pro-gun voters and because they depend on the stupidity of those voters not to go and read the treaty, but to take the word of right-wing partisan hacks instead.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Read Article 5

Then Article 14

Seems like your planet is far away.
I've read them. What you claimed was there is not there.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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There is such a thing as credibility. The OP has posted many threads, citing dubious sources, that end up being discredited. Presuming the thread is false unless proven otherwise should be the default.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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I've read them. What you claimed was there is not there.
Read again. Obviously you are still on another planet.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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Read Article 5

Then Article 14

Seems like your planet is far away on cloud 9.

A gun registration system (though it’s not called such) is contained in the treaty’s Article 12 (“Record Keeping”)
That would be a gun exporter registration system. As the treaty is about regulating INTERNATIONAL arms trade.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The article said majority so I take that as more than 50%.
Brilliant mathematics there, HT. Kudos.

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And the way I read that is the President would enter into a Treaty with the advice and consent of Congress, not that he would sign the treaty and then Congress says No.
In 237 years, the actual Congress has never once read it that way.

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I would think you'd walk into a treaty knowing your approving group approved of you going there to begin with.
Welcome to the real world.
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