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I agree with you, that is, that either of these 2 people could have been killed. However, shouldn't the actions taken before the struggle mean something? If anyone can shoot a person he followed and confronted, that means nobody can freely walk down a street or take a stroll in the rain in his community without every Tom, Dick & Harry who feels like playing toy cop harassing him.
Let's say I'm in the same situation. I'm not a physically strong person, quite the contrary. So what if George Zimmerman followed me home in the dark and I took out a can of pepper spray and hit him with the nearest rock I could find. Should he shoot me to death? Would I be at fault by hitting a creepy looking guy with a gun who was following me when I wasn't doing anything wrong? Where does it end?
I have a strong feeling that the posters who believe it's okay to kill someone because you are fearful would not be supporting Trayvon Martin had he been the shooter. I suspect I'd be reading something like "Of course Zimmerman began punching him. He was a tall Black kid wearing a hoodie."
I agree. To think that there aren't other teen boys and girls who walk in this neighborhood on a regular basis is ludicrous. Walking is normal for kids, especially teens, and 7 pm is early....There should not be an issue at that time of evening that warrants a death sentence.
George even thought he had the right to confront someone in this neighborhood for no other reason than he didn't know them....Does he pretend to know every resident, what about their visitors, relatives?? He should have stopped at the call..........
Some of the witnesses, that live right where George shot Trayvon.... have never seen George before...Would they have been at risk too? The man clearly does not understand restraint or common sense.
What made Trayvon suspect?...That is what is so very troubling. And that is what seems to make this a polarizing tragedy.
The fact that so many people use this case and this scenario as a platform for their own issues. I'm sure they would feel differently if it were their kid, nephew, lil brother...
And, We do not know what George said about Trayvon, without even knowing this kid, if he would call this kid ugly names while on the phone with a police dispatcher....there is no telling what he said when he confronted Trayvon in the dark.
We know he didn't identify himself as a neighborhood watch person....Could that be because he wasn't supposed to be patrolling that evening. It has been reported that the HOA had already forbidden guns while patroling.
I heard Frank, George's friend on Nancy Grace last night speak about having already seen Trayvon on his trip to the 7-11, near Franks home...Isn't Franks home along that same path?
What's the back story? Does anyone else think there is one? There had been mention of a possible 2nd person in George's truck that night....Has anyone heard anything else about that?
These are my opinions....I am expressing them. You may have a different one.
Your opinions as a court room observer are far more reliable and interesting than those who have made fools of themselves whilst admitting they didn't watch.
Continue, please. Your perspective is fascinating.
I agree with you, that is, that either of these 2 people could have been killed. However, shouldn't the actions taken before the struggle mean something? If anyone can shoot a person he followed and confronted, that means nobody can freely walk down a street or take a stroll in the rain in his community without every Tom, Dick & Harry who feels like playing toy cop harassing him.
Let's say I'm in the same situation. I'm not a physically strong person, quite the contrary. So what if George Zimmerman followed me home in the dark and I took out a can of pepper spray and hit him with the nearest rock I could find. Should he shoot me to death? Would I be at fault by hitting a creepy looking guy with a gun who was following me when I wasn't doing anything wrong? Where does it end?
I have a strong feeling that the posters who believe it's okay to kill someone because you are fearful would not be supporting Trayvon Martin had he been the shooter. I suspect I'd be reading something like "Of course Zimmerman began punching him. He was a tall Black kid wearing a hoodie."
It is not illegal to follow someone in the light or the dark. So you cannot make a preemptive attack against them. You'd be guilty of assault. What you should do is immediately get on your phone, call the police, and loudly tell the person to quit following you.
This case comes down to ideology and race. I havent met one white conservative who isn't supporting Zimmerman, and I havent met one black liberal who isn't supporting Martin. That's why this all white jury looks so bad, as the white jury was biased in Zimmermans favor before this even began.
WHY? I want to see the trial in real time and get my information in real time. Am I precluded from discussing the case because I didn't form an opinion ahead of time?? That's absurd.
The problem most of the Zimmerman haters have is that you're trying to form an educated opinion, based on testimony and evidence. And not simply concocting crazy azz scenarios that paint Z as the aggressor and M as the little teenage angel walking home with his Skittles to help out daddy. I mean, just ignore the fact that M was by his door and could simply have walked inside. Ignore the fact that he left the area of his house to go assault a man who had been on the phone with the local dispatcher and police just a bit over a minute before. Ignore the fact that the darker skinned man with the dark jacket/sweatshirt was observed pummeling Z. I mean, facts are such a pain when they don't support your preconceived notions.
WHY? I want to see the trial in real time and get my information in real time. Am I precluded from discussing the case because I didn't form an opinion ahead of time?? That's absurd.
Not absurd at all. How can you intelligently discuss something and post opinions without knowing a bit of background re the case.
Perhaps you should continue watching the trial (so as not to be biased as you claim), not read any other comment after posting progress on your observations and post comments afterwards when the trial ends. To do otherwise totally negates your experiment.
This case comes down to ideology and race. I havent met one white conservative who isn't supporting Zimmerman, and I havent met one black liberal who isn't supporting Martin. That's why this all white jury looks so bad, as the white jury was biased in Zimmermans favor before this even began.
Out of curiosity, how do you suppose black Conservatives and white Liberals think?
My opinion, since you asked, is that anyone who watches Nancy Grace can not be trusted. She is a total freak of nature and it's shameful that anyone with any credibility would appear on her show.
First, every bit of what you just claimed is pure and complete speculation without basis in reality. Are you claiming he didn't know where he was? He walked out of the complex to the store, as per testimony. There was no testimony he was unfamiliar with the area. In fact, he claimed to Jentel to be going the back way.
You have no obligation but if we're talking about what could have prevented this? Yes, his going straight home would have. So, based on your take, only Zimmerman was in the wrong. My contention is that we could do 'what if' all day long. What is pertinent is what happened when the two met up.
True....But, they only met up after George made that happen. And, the back way...Trayvon was attempting to lose George, who was at that time parked in front of the mailbox area...dogging him. George was in vehicle....Trayvon was going along the path....a walking path, to avoid George following him in his truck......George had a different plan.
Not absurd at all. How can you intelligently discuss something and post opinions without knowing a bit of background re the case.
Perhaps you should continue watching the trial (so as not to be biased as you claim), not read any other comment after posting progress on your observations and post comments afterwards when the trial ends. To do otherwise totally negates your experiment.
I think not. It's MY experiment but feel free to put me on ignore. That should solve your issue with me.
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