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The fact that Zimmerman exited his vehicle to follow Trayvon, after saying "these *******s always get away" and "funking punks." He also says that Trayvon was up to no good. He kept referring to him as a suspect and had his mind made up about him. I find it unbelievable that he was looking for a street name or number and I also find it unbelievable that he was able to pull the gun out if his holster with Trayvon Martin on top of him beating up. I'm not sure if this was addressed, but how was the safety taken off? He was angry, before he stepped out of his car.
The problem for you is that a lot of that was contradicted in court. Serino and the NEN operator both testified that he didn't seem angry.
Both officers testified that they believed Zimmerman. So what you are finding compelling is what you are adding in your own head, not what's being testified to in court.
Actually it does, because if George Zimnerman had it, he probably wouldn't have thought about how a person may feel or react to someone following them around on a dark rainy night. None of our feelings have anything to do with the case, but not sharing an opinion doesn't mean that you have to be rude. It is also not necessary to lol and talk bad about a dead teenager that you don't know much about. The lack if empathy and compassion that I've seen here from Zimmerman supporters is disgusting. Saying it was self-defense is one thing, calling Trayvon names, making gun of witnesses and laughing at someone getting killed is another.
The fact that Zimmerman exited his vehicle to follow Trayvon, after saying "these *******s always get away" and "funking punks." He also says that Trayvon was up to no good. He kept referring to him as a suspect and had his mind made up about him. I find it unbelievable that he was looking for a street name or number and I also find it unbelievable that he was able to pull the gun out if his holster with Trayvon Martin on top of him beating up. I'm not sure if this was addressed, but how was the safety taken off? He was angry, before he stepped out of his car.
Not watching the trial are you.... FDLE just stated there is no external safety on that gun.
School records, perhaps not for confidentiality reasons. Although I'm not sure that applies when the student is dead. I would expect that witnesses that could attest to his past behavior would be. The entire case really depends on who initiated the physical confrontation, which relates (somewhat) to the past behavior of the participants. If the prosecution is allowed to portray George's past, I would think that the defense would be able to show Martin's. For example, based on a reasonable person's common sense and life experience, which 17 year old would be more likely to assault an innocent person?
1. An honor student and boy scout. One with say a history of volunteering in his community or church, and with an exemplory school record.
2. A student with a history of vandalism of public property, possession of suspected stolen property, illegal drug use, Twitter posts of flipping off the camera, a camera with videos of fights, drugs and guns and a school history that inculdes 3 suspensions in one year. And who was in fact currently suspended at the time of the assault.
Which would seem more likely to a reasonable person?
Seems to me if the state is trying to use Zimmermans past to establish state of mind that is crucial to getting a 2nd degree murder charge. The defense should be allowed to do the same. I guess we will see.
The state has not proved that GZ put his hands on TM first.
The State has proven that Zimmerman FIRST pursued Martin.
There will also be a jury instruction given to the jury by the Court that they are to consider the "totality of the evidence".....in other words, not just is it illegal to follow someone, etc., etc.
Can anyone share what they feel has been the evidence or testimony that has shaped their opinion of the outcome, if they have one?
For me, the most telling so far was when the investigating officer told GZ tha lt he had video and better come clean and the response was, "thank God".
As I've said, no skin in the game and I may change my mind as the trial goes on.
That was very telling to me. Normally when confronted with this interview technique suspects confess or lawyer up. He was relieved. Now just because he thinks he acted reasonably doesn't mean he did legally but atleast it shows to me he didn't act with depraved indifference. The prosecution should have went for manslaughter.
The problem for you is that a lot of that was contradicted in court. Serino and the NEN operator both testified that he didn't seem angry.
Both officers testified that they believed Zimmerman. So what you are finding compelling is what you are adding in your own head, not what's being testified to in court.
I added in my head that Zimmerman made those statements? He made them. We've all heard them say it. Of course he wasn't angry after he killed him. That's common sense. Serino did not say that he didn't sound angry on the recorded call, he also thought Zimmerman's attitude was strange and that he exaggerated his injuries. It only matters what the jury finds compelling. I answered the question that I was asked and I can't make up what he says in the call to the police department or the fact that he was carrying a loaded gun around and got out of his car to follow someone that he referred to as an *******, punk and suspect.
The state has not proved that GZ put his hands on TM first.
Neither side has proved who was hands on first. But, we do know George was the aggressor....following even on foot. Even after the kid ran, as George told the operator.
So, the witness demonstrated that it takes two hands to shoot George's gun? So, how did George manage that again?
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