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Old 07-22-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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these are the same people that created the fed, the same people that passed the income tax amendment in 1913, the same people that suppored the european socialists and the nasi's, and the fascists, the eugentics program (ie forced sterilization)
All you seem to be doing is spewing post after post of copied and pasted materials from Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism. Something already repeatedly, and very publically, debunked. The only thing you are doing now is Gish Galloping in in throwing out pages of BS. Which is easy when you just copy and paste from things other people have written.

The only thing you have succeeded in doing is look like a raving loony.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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All you seem to be doing is spewing post after post of copied and pasted materials from Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism. Something already repeatedly, and very publically, debunked. The only thing you are doing now is Gish Galloping in in throwing out pages of BS. Which is easy when you just copy and paste from things other people have written.

The only thing you have succeeded in doing is look like a raving loony.
Maybe he's practicing his typing skills, who knows? He might need a job. That said, I detest when anyone merely types out from a book or copies everything from a website.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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socialism and fascism are the same coin...both come from progressivism

socialism...big government...anti capitalist

fascism... big government...anti capitalist



you do understand that socialism, fascism, communism, marxism, liberalism...all came from the progressive movement of the 1880's


american liberals are like a hibreed of socialism, marxism and fascism


american liberals (such as obama) are very far left (unlike true democrats which are moderate) he is the epitome of socialist/fascist



1.....""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
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2. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."--- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate
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3. "A Marxist(socialist/fascist) begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order , and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski
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4. Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter,bush1, clinton, cheney and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""
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.all you have to do is connect the dots folks..its all there
Oh for heaven's sake. And you really believe this stuff, don't you? You're not just saying it to come across as a bit off?
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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Article Six of the U.S. Constitution states that 'all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.'



Because international treaties supercede national law, Fast Track has allowed an enormous restructuring of U.S. law without resorting to a Constitutional convention.... As a result, national sovereignty of the United States has been severely compromised ...


who is pushing for UN control (globalization)...the liberals

We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis...and the nations will accept the New World Order.." David Rockefeller

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. 'This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before." President Obama's former Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel

"Globalization is not a random-walk process. It moves forward according to a tangible, coherent and well-planned strategy." Patrick Wood, The Globalization Strategy

When Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1847, his closest friend and benefactor was Frederick Engels, the son of a wealthy capitalist, and in 1902, the leaders of the British Fabian Society (an appendage of the communist movement) began holding weekly meetings

The roots of the United Nations -- the most visible part of the new global management system -- might be compared to the many deep and spreading roots of a tenacious vine. Some of the roots are short and shallow. Others are long and deep, firmly imbedded in powerful social, political and financial institutions in Europe and North America, which -- for various reasons -- shared Lord Tennyson's vision of a "federation of the world." ...: "Locksley Hall" by Alfred Lord Tennyson, 1842
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For I dipt into the future far as human eye could see,

Saw the Vision of the world and the wonders that would be....

'Till the war-drum throbb'd no longer and the battle flags were furl'd

In the Parliament of man, the Federation of the world.

There the common sense of most shall hold a fretful realm in Awe,

That the kindly earth shall slumber, lapt in universal law.
1888. Edward Bellamy also embraced Tennyson's vision, and his book, Looking Backward, helped spread the vision of a socialist world government Bellamy clubs began forming across the USA.

1895: The Fabian Socialists establish the London School of Economics. Though the Fabians are dominated by an intellectual elite, and The Group [Rhodes' Round Table members] is dominated by a financial elite, they both believe in a socialist relationship between government and the masses.

1891: To select and train world leaders worthy of his vision, Cecil Rhodes established the Rhodes Trust and the Rhodes Scholarship Fund. He had acquired the wealth needed to pursue his global ambitions in the gold and diamond mines of southern Africa.

The power and influence of Rhodes Scholars who have pursued their sponsor's vision has, through the last century helped steer "progress" toward global governance. Dr. Monteith wrote:"During the past century over 4600 young men have been sent to Oxford University where they were indoctrinated in socialism and world government. President Bill Clinton, General Wesley Clark, Strobe Talbot, Senator Bill Bradley and thousands of other prominent men are Rhodes Scholars. They work in government offices, in international banks, on the board of corporations, in tax-exempt foundation, in the Supreme Court, in the media, in our universities in the United Nations Association, and in the Council on Foreign Relations."

1913 (January). President Woodrow Wilson wrote in his book, The New Freedom: "We are in a new world.... In the new order, government and business must be associated closely.... We stand in the presence of a revolution.... (which) will come in peaceful guise...."

1913 (December 23): President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. "One of the individuals who helped to plan the Federal Reserve is Frank Vanderlip, president of Rockefeller’s National City Bank

1915. According to the Reece Committee (the Special House Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations), which would later investigate tax-exempt foundations that funded communist organizations and their international goals, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace launched a propaganda program in 1915 to persuade the American people to fight in World War 1. During these investigations in the 1950s, the Congressional Committee found that:


Many of our large foundations were actively promoting communism and socialism


The foundations influenced State Department policy and were largely responsible for bringing communism to China.


The foundations were working to undermine our constitutional form of government.

In the official minutes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Reece Committee also found the following specific questions which were discussed by the Carnegie trustee:

"Is there any means known to man more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people?'"

"How do we involve the United States in a war?"

"How do we control the diplomatic machinery of the United States?" [Their conclusion: "We" must control the State Department


1918. "Russia is pointing the way to a great and sweeping world changes. It is not in Russia alone that the old order is passing . There is a lot of the old order in America, and that is going, too.... I am glad it is so." William Boyce Thompson, Federal Reserve Bank director and founding member of the Council on Foreign Relations wrote these words in the January issue of New York World


1921. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was founded -- mainly through Col. House's influence. To build the needed network of globalist support groups, it would disperse tens of millions of dollars annually from the major tax-exempt foundations such as the Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations. Global Tyranny, page 54


The CFR would be the U.S. equivalent of the British RIIA, the Royal Institute of International Affairs. As Professor Quigley wrote,

"...the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris."


1935. The Masonic symbol of the eye in the pyramid is officially added to the U.S. dollar bill. Henry A. Wallace, President Roosevelt's Secretary of Agriculture (a Socialist and Theosophist who later became Roosevelt's vice-president) explained:

"Roosevelt as he looked at the colored reproduction of the Seal was first struck with the representation of the 'All Seeing Eye,' a Masonic representation of The Great Architect of the Universe.... Roosevelt like myself was a 32nd degree Mason. He suggested that the Seal be put on the dollar bill." Henry A. Wallace, Socialist Sec. of Agriculture and, later, Vice President under Roosevelt


1939. Future Secretary of State John Foster Dulles (CFR member) delivers a speech to YMCA. He states, "[There must be] some dilution of sovereignty, to the immediate disadvantage of those nations which now possess the preponderance of power..

1941 (January 6). In his speech to a Joint Session of Congress, President Franklin D. Roosevelt said, "Since the beginning of our American history we have been engaged in change – in a perpetual peaceful revolution – a revolution which goes on steadily, quietly adjusting itself to changing conditions.... The 'World Order' which we seek is the co-operation of free countries, working together in a friendly, civilized society....

1944. President Roosevelt chose Alger Hiss as his acting director of the State Department's Office of Special Political Affairs in charge of all postwar planning -- ignoring all the FBI evidence of his Communist activities

1945 (2/4-2/11): The Yalta conference -- Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin met to discuss post-war resolutions. Alger Hiss accompanied Roosevelt as his advisor. Roosevelt continued to ignore the FBI warnings about Hiss

".. In addition to immediate military and political problems, the conferees discussed the United Nations organization charter that had recently been drafted a Dumbarton Oaks. A compromise formula to govern voting in the Security Council was found acceptable...."


1973. The Trilateral Commission was established, primarily by David Rockefeller (chairman of the Rockefeller controlled Chase Manhattan Bank) who funded it. He had been inspired by a proposal by Zbigniew Brzezinski, a global-minded Professor at Columbia University who suggested a three-fold partnership between Western Europe, North America (US and Canada) and Japan.

Its US membership would include Brzezinski; former president George H. Bush; Richard Gardner (Columbia University); Alan Greenspan (Federal Reserve); Samuel Johnson (Johnson & Son Inc); Robert McNamara (former president of the World Bank); Brent Scowcroft; Donna Shalala (Chancellor, U. of Wisconsin and Clinton's Sec. of DHHS); Albert Shanker (Pres. of American Federation of Teachers); Strobe Talbott (Editor-at-large, Time); Lester Thurow (Faculty, MIT); Paul Volcker (Faculty, Princeton University).

1973. After a trip to China, David Rockefeller praised Mao Tse-tung who had slaughtered over 40 million people. His report, "From a China Traveler," highlights the goals presented in UN reports such as "The Commission on Global Governance" and UNESCO's "Our Creative Diversity." Both focus on lofty ideals such as peace, harmony and unity in the communitarian "global" village -- a vision that demands absolute control and universal participation in facilitated small groups (modeled by the hierarchy of "soviets" or councils in Communist lands):

"One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony.... Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution it has obviously succeeded .... in fostering high morale and community purpose. General social and economic progress is no less impressive....The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose.... The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." New York Times, 8-10-1973.

1991 (May 21). "In an address to the Bilderberg organization meeting at Evian, France, Henry Kissinger said,

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenarios, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."


just open your eyes the liberals (and the neo-cons(liberals in southern baptist clothing)) are all globalists...
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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Maybe he's practicing his typing skills, who knows? He might need a job. That said, I detest when anyone merely types out from a book or copies everything from a website.
Well, he's already stated about his lack of employment status. To get nearly 10 pages of quote mined babble from a number of different sources, even badly spelled and gramtically incorrect, requires more then 5 minutes between posts.

Especially because I have forced myself to read parts of the book Liberal Fascism, which took a fair amount of burbon, and read the debunking. It's pretty well the exact gist of the book down to Hitler refrences.

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Oh for heaven's sake. And you really believe this stuff, don't you? You're not just saying it to come across as a bit off?
Oh yes, people want reasons to hate liberals because they gulp down the Limbaugh's and Becks without thinking for themselves. It's lazy thinking playing on fear and anger. Give people a target of their fear and anger and you can lead them anywhere.

You see how he's spewing page after page of this crap like Duane Gish does during his debates. People stopped debating Gish because he would just spew and spew till he needed to take a drink, and it would be hours to find and present the evidence to debunk each one of his crazy ass points. Then he would just promptly spew out more unfazed that anything was debunked. This would go on till the person debating Gish realized they were talking to a complete lunatic.

This poster seems to be trying the same thing. Logic doesn't slow or stop crazy, but it can make you crazy trying to do so.
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: west mich
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What's really terrifying about this post, is that it actually suggests that Democrats are wild, leftist liberals, and hints that the GOP in this country is somehow moderate. Right wingers in this country leaned so far to the right in 1980, and have remained so fixed there, that there is virtually no difference between what they seek and a plutocracy. However, the fans of American extremist right wingerism (as evidenced by this post) believe it is some sort of moderate stand. Scary.
What's terrifying about that post is the total misrepresentation of the goals of "liberals" and "progressives" seemingly based on an extreme paranoia and desperately needing someone to blame for it. The mythical "progressive" targets these people select are the exact same as Fox/Limbaugh/Hannity/Levin/Savage/Beck, any RW nutjob communicator you can think of over three decades - a nice self-verifying comfortable cocoon. These are, to the man, plutocrats, or those who work on behalf of plutocrats.
This is an example of RW propagandists doing a number on America's frightened dullards - their bread and butter. Fortunately, the minds of most Americans are not that malleable, and their paranoia not that great.

This is a common RW paranoiac's view, that people like former president Eisenhower for instance, are virtual "commie socialists". We all know about wealthy "liberal" Hollywood types (and many others), doing very well under "capitalism" who, according to RW media babblers like Fox, inexplicably want to turn America socialist. Don't think too hard, righties!
It's just so easy. Who's responsible for all your problems Bunky? Well, the Rushbo knows - they're called "progressives" and "liberals" - that's all you need to know.
Traditional conservatives take a sniffing "how dare you criticize" defensive attitude, but they never publicly criticize these fascists - because their corporate base is the same.

Ayn Rand wrote the RW bible "Virtue of Selfishness". Their media bible seems to be "The Virtue of Mental Laziness".

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Old 07-22-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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^^ I'm not reading your paranoid blather. Maybe you need to find Jesus.
You know what's sad about your posts? From inside a RW bubble you claim to know all about the aims of your enemies, and you relish writing a rambling mini-novel on every little point - yet I know my own views which are far different from what you claim they are.
See how that works? It's known as "first hand knowledge" rather than a closeted "paranoid speculation".

Also, what's so dumb about your generic RW view on regulation is that the economic crash of 2008 was caused by an over-regulated Wall Street. No words to describe this disconnect.

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Old 07-22-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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^^ I'm not reading your paranoid blather. Maybe you need to find Jesus.
He wouldn't accept Jesus, who was a socialist hippie caring about loving His fellow man and helping the poor...
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate
These words were never recorded to be uttered by Norman Thomas, and the only thing remotely close to this was a letter written to him by Upton Sinclair. People have tried looking for it since the 1960's without any luck. Sorry, you are spewing a lie that was disproved well before I was born.

Thanks for showing how much you don't care about the truth after the 10 page long Godwin's law spew.

Sorry, my parents taught me when I was a child that lying is wrong. I guess not everyone has that moral education when they are a child. My heroes were those who stood up with honesty and integrity for what is right and truthful.

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