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Wow, facts can change opinions quickly. Its a pity this happened in Florida where the laws are just so stinking BAD. Twenty five years MINIMUM mandatory sentence for MANSLAUGHTER? (Not murder -manslaughter.) That poor jury. They had only terrible choices as options.
Yes they sure did.
And I thought that in this country you were innocent until proven guilty. The way the justice system is suppose to work, is that we rather send a guilty man free, than an innocent person to prison. Based on the evidence from the state, well, non of them supported a 25 year + prison sentence. Speculations are not enough.
Then TM would have evidence(bruising, bloody nose etc.) of assault to him....
Actually, one of the medical "experts" (can't remember which one now) said you could punch someone and not have evidence.
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Yes they sure did.
And I thought that in this country you were innocent until proven guilty. The way the justice system is suppose to work, is that we rather send a guilty man free, than an innocent person to prison. Based on the evidence from the state, well, non of them supported a 25 year + prison sentence. Speculations are not enough.
Repeat: The jury was not instructed as to the length of sentencing. It's remotely possible some of them could have known this beforehand, but I'd bet they didn't. The questioning during jury selection would have weeded out those who had this knowledge.
There isn't any reason to infer that Zimmerman's intent was to initiate a fistfight, but there is reason to infer that that was Trayvon Martin's intent.
Really?
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How many people call the police and spend minutes talking to the police and invite the police to come to their location before they commit a felony? It just doesn't make any sense.
How many people run from someone they want to initiate a fight with?
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Also, Zimmerman's motive is clear--he was concerned about crime in his neighborhood and wanted to learn more about a potential burglary suspect in his neighborhood. Frustrated that the criminals almost always get away, he wanted to keep an eye on the suspect so that he could direct the police to him.
Also, Trayvon's motive was clear -- he was trying to get away from the creepy guy following him. He knew he was a guest in the community and didn't want any trouble w/ anyone, so tried to lose him.
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That's a long, long way from being able to infer that his goal was to kill Martin or initiate a fistfight.
That's a long, long way from being able to infer that his goal was to kill Zimmerman or initiate a fistfight.
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In contrast, what can you infer about Martin's behavior?
In contrast, what can you infer from Zimmerman's behavior?
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What possible motive could he have for leaving the safety of the house to go look for Zimmerman?
What possible motive could he have to disobey police direction and leave the safety of his car ?
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What kind of a racist state of mind could he have had when used the word "cracker"? Do you think his intent was to share Skittles with Zimmerman?
What kind of aggressive state of mind could Zimmerman have had to complain about these punks always get away? Do you think his intent was to let Trayvon escape?
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If his intent was to help locate the creepy guy who was following him so that he could help the police find him, then why didn't he call the police?
If his intent wasn't to just point him out to the police, why didn't he just watch from the safety of his truck.
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Zimmerman's background is that he was just a nosy neighborhood busybody would-be do-gooder.
Trayvon's background is that he was a good student w/o any serious behavioral issues.
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Trayvon's background is that he had been involved in prior physical altercations, may have been in possession of property stolen in a burglary, may have been involved in drug use, and may have even filmed two homeless black men fighting one another.
Zimmerman's background is that he had multiple charges of assault in his past & a history of overzealousness.
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The physical injuries were on Zimmerman, not Martin.
Martin proved to be a better fighter.
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Use your head. Who do you think initiated the physical altercation? You have to perform great leaps of logic to conclude that Zimmerman is the one most likely to have initiated the altercation.
Use your head. Who do you think initiated the physical altercation? You have to perform great leaps of logic to conclude that Trayvon is the one most likely to have initiated the altercation.
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A racist desire to blame Whitey for all of the black community's ills and to use this case as evidence to support a worldview that Whitey is out to incarcerate all black men and to oppress all black men is the only way you could infer that Zimmerman threw the first punch.
A deep-seeded hatred of Blacks based on your own racism and to use this case as evidence that given the opportunity, any Black will relish the opportunity to stick it to White people is the only way you can conclude the TM threw the first punch.
And with that, I'm done talking to CD's new top dog filthy racist...
this poster will not answer my question, either, about why he believes this particular portion of Rachel's testimony, but no other part.
His thinking is probably along the lines of "Blacks are liars, except when I don't want them to be."
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