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Originally Posted by gregm Another common sense question. Why in the world didn't Travon walk on the sidewalk, instead of walking close to the houses?
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Originally Posted by jerbear30
The common sense answer is that it was raining and he wanted to not get wet. .
So you walk in wet grass?
Lord, the things one learns reading this forum!!!!!
The "fighting system"?? I'm sorry what "fighting system" are you talking about??? During the advent of the UFC it wasn't constrained to "mixed martial arts" like it is now... Ken Shamrock was a GRAPPLER too....a much BIGGER GRAPPLER..
So...how bout some smaller non grapplers who BEAT DOWN bigger guys??
Tank Abbott lost to Don Frye
Dan Severn lost to Mark Coleman and Forrest Griffin
Gary Goodridge got his hide WHOOPED by Mark Schultz and Don Frye
I'd like to refer you to some dialogue from The Big Lebowski
Remember what they told Donnie to do when he was out of his.element?
For every one of those you post, I can post three fights where the bigger guy won.
Not to mention...the UFC eventually went to weight classes too. Kerr, Coleman, Severn feasted on smaller. Lesnar hadn't fought professionally in years and won belts because of his size.
Lesson from this trial. If a creepy ass cracker or creepy as coco puff or creepy ass anyone is following you, you dont have to and shouldnt assault them. It could end badly for you.
What bothers me the most about this is that NO ONE besides GZ and TM know what happened. And because TM was killed, we can't get his side of the story. GZ was able to tell whatever story he wanted to.
How do you know that Zimmerman didn't strike him? Because Zimmerman said so?
Complete lack of evidence of any sign of wound son Trayvon. No bruises from being punched. Only scuffing on his knuckles (from punching Zimmerman).
Also, complete lack of motive. Trying to keep an eye on a possible burglary suspect until the police can arrive to talk to him does not support an inference that Zimmerman wanted to start a fistfight.
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Zimmerman would never have had the nerve to follow Martin if he didn't fully intend to use that loaded gun if things got too "hot." We have no idea when he pulled that gun, whether or not he hit Martin or threatened him first, who exchanged words first, nothing - only the testimony of the defendant, who also claimed that he was only persisting in getting out of his car and following Martin in order to "find his correct address and tell it to the dispatcher." Yeah, right. There were only about two streets in that neighborhood - just give the dispatcher a description of your vehicle and then sit tight till the police get there.
But no...He just had to get out and follow Martin - and the only reason he felt like he could do this is because he fully intended to use that gun if he felt threatened. He just didn't stop to think, apparently, that the person he was following might feel threatened (who wouldn't?) and just might respond in fear and anger.
There's nothing wrong with acting in self defense. You are allowed to defend yourself if someone tries to kill you or inflict great bodily harm on you. If a woman had shot a rapist in self defense, would you argue that she would not have had the confidence to walk to the convenience store in the middle of the night without her gun and that therefore she brought the attempted rape on herself and is guilty?
Its no fact he followed. He said he stopped. IT was not proven in court that he didnt stop. Not even close. But go ahead and continue to lie, whatever helps your stupid, ignorant argument.
He lied. He said he got out of the car to find a street name...LIE. He said he was looking for an address and in the video you can see Zimmerman steering the detective away from the area as they spoke and walked, due to the FACT that there was an address on the house where he said there was none...LIE.
And a man who was arrested twice for domestic violence against his girlfriend and once for assaulting a police office should not be allowed to walk around with a gun.
Then he would not be allowed to legally own a gun. Or get a CCW permit!!
Remind me again of any previous charges and convictions against him.
Only after you detail any arrests, charges or convictions for Trayvon Martin.
But on the other hand, here ya go:
The three incidents took place in Orange County, Fla.
In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.
In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.
Witness No. 9 (his cousin) accused Zimmerman of molesting her when they were children. What most folks don’t know is that Witness No. 9 made an explosive allegation against her cousin. “I know George. And I know that he does not like black people,” she told a Sanford police officer during a telephone call in which she pleaded for anonymity. “He would start something. He’s a very confrontational person. It’s in his blood. Let’s just say that. I don’t want this poor kid and his family to just be overlooked.” At the end of the call, Witness No. 9 urged the officer to “get character reports from other people and see if he’s ever said anything about black people, about being racist or anything like that because I guarantee you there’s somebody out there who will say it.”That phone call was significant because it was placed two days after Zimmerman killed Trayvon and a couple of weeks before the case drew national attention. Witness No. 9 wasn’t seeking attention. “I’m a mom,” she told police. “I can’t stand seeing that some kid got shot and killed over a stupid fight, especially one that my [redacted] … because I know who he is.”
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