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Most of the people on Medicaid are senior citizens who already spent a lifetime working. Calling them moochers is particularly insulting. Maybe in Conservative HappyTexanLand grandma works until she dies.
I didnt say anyone was a moocher.
All I'm doing is dealing with the numbers.
I don't care who gets medicaid..young, old or otherwise. The program is still a means tested program.
I say medicaid is a means tested program and you come back with "people on medicaid are seniors".
That's how you debate ?
I haven't even given an opinion on ending any programs or even cutting programs.
I'm just pointing out that means tested welfare spending has topped $1 trillion and is growing.
Most of the people on Medicaid are disabled or senior citizens who already spent a lifetime working. Calling them moochers is particularly insulting. Maybe in Conservative HappyTexanLand grandma works until she dies.
Medicare isn't going broke because senior citizens who paid into it their whole working career are using their benefits. So try again.
No, it is not. By what logic do you pretend that anyone in the U.S. does not benefit from national defense spending the same as anyone else? And I've already explained that all but the low-income LOSE money on Social Security. Medicare? That was enacted as a federal INSURANCE program to which premiums are paid with no caps all throughout one's earning years AND the premium payments continue once one is retired.
The math doesn't lie, MTAtech. Eventually, you're going to have to face reality. It is inevitable.
It was indeed misleading. Your graph (below) is trying to report that we spend most of the federal money on those bottom 20%.
It's not true. All social safety net programs combined are 12% of the budget.
They can work or let 'em starve. Not a single dime should be STOLEN via government from one person in order to give to another. This is THEFT. Charity is something one chooses to give to those (individuals of entities) they themselves deem worthy.
For all you die hard welfare supporters... tell me something... when was the last time you shelled out $100.00 of your own money, used your gas & vehicle and your labor to buy some food for someone whose family was going hungry? How about $200.00... $500.00... $1,000.00?
For all you die hard welfare supporters... tell me something... when was the last time you picked up, much less drove a desperate person who was trying to get from point A to point B in order to get a job? Did you take them 10 minutes out of your way? Did you take them 30 minutes out of your way? Did you take them 2-1/2 hours out of your way?
For all you die hard government programs can fix all supporters... tell me something... when was the last time you stopped on the side of the road to offer roadside assistance? Maybe helped someone change a flat, maybe bought them some gas (yes with your OWN money), maybe even bought them a second hand tire & had it mounted on the rim for them because they were broke?
There are far too many of you who demand others step up, via the government to alleviate YOUR OWN personal responsibilities to society, demanding that SOMEONE do something as long as you're not really bothered by the effort, in order to assist another. There are far too many that demand something be done, while they themselves have never and will never do anything to help another. There are too many who demand a government program to help the elderly who may not be able to mow their own yard or shovel their snow, yet they themselves would NEVER so much as cross a street to assist one of those elderly people in their own neighborhood.
You have no right whatsoever to demand that others provide what you yourself are unwilling to do by your own self, with your own resources.
Like I said to the OP, who conveniently decided to disappear, if you believe being poor is such a pleasurable experience, why don't you just....become poor? You make it sound so grand, why not live it yourself?
It was indeed misleading. Your graph (below) is trying to report that we spend most of the federal money on those bottom 20%.
It's not true. All social safety net programs combined are 12% of the budget.
And that's why Sessions report created such angst..it's a lot more than 12% of the budget.
It's bigger than either SS spending, medicare spending or defense spending now.
Sessions asked the CRS to add up every means tested program.
The debate is now not on that figure but what the term "welfare" really means now so they can exclude programs and reduce that figure.
Pure total deflection rather than admit the truth that poverty programs are growing near 20% per year with no end in sight.
You got one guy arguing that "welfare" only means TANF and SNAP.
What I was referring to by policies discourage work and parenting is this
The bottom line IS as you've stated:
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Originally Posted by MTAtech
policies in the U.S. discourage working
There's a PLETHORA of data that proves exactly such.
The policies in the U.S. that discourage working, across ALL income levels, need to be fixed. NO MORE penalizing those who work harder/smarter and therefore earn more. That DISINCENTIVIZES productivity and progress, which is why our country is plunging head first into a rapidly accelerating downward spiral.
When people post that infamous pie chart detailing how "social programs are only 12 percent of the budget," I just groan inwardly (and sometimes outwardly).
What the chart doesn't show is that BURIED INSIDE nearly every budget listed, including DoD and Agriculture, are social programs which aren't identified as such, and are not included in the 12 percent figure.
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